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Thread: Is It "Build" Or "Assemble" An AR15?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragon813gt View Post
    I get tired of "built not bought". I'm smart enough to know when to pay a professional. I have all the respect in the world for the guys that can do everything themselves. But I'm not one of them. My cars have always had most of the aspects being bought.

    ARs are a grownup form of Lagos. So use whatever term you would use for Legos. I can tell you I'm not about to tell my 3yo son that he didn't build a Lego structure of some sort. In his mind he built it and that's all that matters.
    the bought not built is a newer thing, and i like to do much of my own stuff, however when im working on a $20,000 engine, ill pay a man to do the important stuff. most guys that cry about built vs bought dont have anything worth talking about on either side of the argument.

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    I would think this is more "assembled" vs "built" as the OP originally asked as "bought" just seems to automatically mean an item is obtained from someone else in exchange for payment, even though a lot of things that are "bought" require some assembly it in no way seems to infer the person is "building" the item.

    My son is now working on his second AR project and in fact we spoke on the phone about it just this evening when he called to borrow a Crowfoot wrench for the barrel nut and the term he always uses is "putting together" my new rifle.
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    I've 'built' two lowers from 80%, really sloppy machined out the guts..... but I assembled the rest of the gun......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handloader109 View Post
    I've 'built' two lowers from 80%, really sloppy machined out the guts..... but I assembled the rest of the gun......
    Technically you finished the lowers. A finish carpenter did not build the house. This discussion can go on and on forever.

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    I build shelves, workbenches, tool boxes, gun racks, powder magazines, target frames and the like.
    I assemble and customize firearms of many types.
    I fit and modify, file and grind, Dremel and sand, drill and cut, blue and paint, tap and cut threads...I'm not a gunsmith but maybe an armorer...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TenTea View Post
    Whatever I am, I enjoy the *work*

    In the end that's what really matters!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldred View Post
    In the end that's what really matters!
    And that's a wrap.

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    I dunno....

    I have "assembled" a few AR's, some were merely installing a lower parts kit into a lower, adding the buffer tube and stock and attaching that to a complete barreled upper, I'd say that's merely assembling for sure.

    Other ones I have bought all the components in stripped form, installed and torqued the barrel and nut, even multiple times while adding correct shims in order to time the nut correctly for a free float fore end to line up the top rail perfectly.

    I've had fire control groups that absolutely wouldn't function until they went on the drill press and were filed and polished to fit... I've had to file fit gas blocks for proper alignment, dimple the barrel for grub screws to center correctly, build custom weight buffers in order to time the gas system for reliable operation....

    Does anyone one thing make the difference...? I dunno....
    I used to operate CNC lathes, ACME Gridley Screw Machines, Centerless bore grinders, etc... Did that make me a machinist or simply a machine operator ?.... I dunno.....

    I was an Auto mechanic also, I've "built" my own race car engines from ordered parts out of a Summit or Jegs catalog, and I've had to "rebuild" many engines in my day... new pistons, cranks, cams, bearings etc... Did I build those engines or just assemble them...? I dunno......

    I never mined Iron and aluminium ore and smelted it before pouring it into castings or forgings before finish machining and then assembling... I never planted an acorn, waited for the tree to grow, cut it down then carved it into a gunstock.... But I'm confident that with some parts and some tools I can "assemble" just about anything mechanical... and If it doesn't work, I can probably diagnose the problem and make it work....

    I dont know if I'm a builder, an assembler, or just a ******* with a little mechanical aptitude.. where is the line...?

    I think the big thing here is (and I get it)... any asswipe with a credit card can assemble an AR, and they think they're a Gunsmith or Custom gun builder (which they are not)
    and alot of us with much more ability and whom also give respect to the true skilled tradesman get a little pissy about it...

    I just sit back, and "assemble", "build", "tinker" with my hobbies, whatever you want to call it... and I'm happy knowing I dont take anything to anyone else for work unless it requires skills or tools I dont have.... I dont have the resources to forge and rifle a barrel, or pour a casting and machine it into a lower or upper reciever. But I can freefloat a barrel, glass bed a stock, pillar mount an action, strip and refinish a stock.... Re Crown a barrel... What am I ... I dunno?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitroviking View Post
    I never planted an acorn, waited for the tree to grow, cut it down then carved it into a gunstock....

    An Acorn? When you get around to planting that tree seed plant a Walnut and it will make a much prettier stock!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldred View Post
    An Acorn? When you get around to planting that tree seed plant a Walnut and it will make a much prettier stock!
    See, I told you I didnt know what I was doin !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nun2kute View Post
    I have talked to a lot of People who think a "Cartridge" is a "Bullet" because they don't have the knowledge to understand what they are talking about.(and some want to tell me I shouldn't own a gun)
    A long time ago SWMBO and I took her friend to the range to shoot her newly acquired revolver. The friend didn't understand what came out of the barrel. When I showed her loaded and spent cartridges with the bullet obviously missing in the spent cartridge I was met with a blank stare. She could not comprehend that the missing bullet was what had gone out the barrel. I was at a loss to explain further. Yes, she was blonde and no, this is not a joke. Sorry for drifting off topic but I had to share.
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    According to the not yet dismissed Obama regulations if you take a file, stone, lathe, mill, drill or tap to it you are a manufacturer.

    Please communicate with your congress members to get rid of that stupid BATFE regulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David2011 View Post
    A long time ago SWMBO and I took her friend to the range to shoot her newly acquired revolver. The friend didn't understand what came out of the barrel. When I showed her loaded and spent cartridges with the bullet obviously missing in the spent cartridge I was met with a blank stare. She could not comprehend that the missing bullet was what had gone out the barrel. I was at a loss to explain further. Yes, she was blonde and no, this is not a joke. Sorry for drifting off topic but I had to share.
    She's not alone! I have mentioned this one a couple of times before, a TV cop show (don't remember which one) from the 70's had a scene I laughed at back then but see the significance of it now because the same people are pushing so hard for gun "control".

    A guy had been shot and was being looked after while in a hospital bed, a cop was asking the doctor how bad was it and when would he be conscious and able to talk, the doctor said that they had removed the bullet then proceeded to pick it up from a tray with a pair of tweezers, he then showed the cop the bullet he had removed but he held up the COMPLETE cartridge case and all that he had supposedly removed!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atakawow View Post
    I'm referring to the process of putting together all the pre-made parts to make a functional AR platform. Most people refer to this process as "building." I think the term "assembling" is more suitable in this application.

    Taken from an online dictionary:

    Build - "to form by ordering and uniting materials by gradual means into a composite whole."

    Assemble - "to fit together the parts of."

    Are these terms interchangeable? What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wills View Post
    Why does it matter?
    I was simply asking for people's input. Don't matter to you? Move along...

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    Personally I can see why it matters to some folks, to those that actually do really put in the time and effort to actually build a rifle as opposed to just assembling factory made parts it just might mean a lot. Doesn't bother me one way or the other, that's just me however, but I have done enough of both to understand the difference and this is my take on it (Opinion ONLY, nothing more). I would think it would be assembled, as in assembled from parts or a kit, if someone just buys parts and puts them together to make a rifle but when someone else actually MAKES the parts then that person can rightly say they actually built the rifle. It takes a lot of time and effort to actually build a rifle by first making the parts, the "assembly" of those owner made parts is the easy part but that's all that's required when a person buys their parts already made.
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    oldred - argee 100%. When I take 100% complete parts and put it together it's an assembly. When I take a barrel blank and turn the contour, drill the gas hole and thread and chamber it I consider it a build.

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    Very interesting opinions all. Reminds me of someone saying, "I made eggs for breakfast" and I lean more toward the word assemble. Another subject that is as varied as this one is someone making a hand made knife from "Scratch" by buying a kit with a blade blank almost finished, heat treated, handle material shaped, hilt fitted to the blade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldBearHair View Post
    Very interesting opinions all. Reminds me of someone saying, "I made eggs for breakfast" and I lean more toward the word assemble. Another subject that is as varied as this one is someone making a hand made knife from "Scratch" by buying a kit with a blade blank almost finished, heat treated, handle material shaped, hilt fitted to the blade.
    I've been thinking about this quite a lot myself. Just how far back in the process does one have to go to qualify for 'making'? Forging your own barrel? Smelting your own steel? Mining your own minerals? Establishing an intelligent species?
    Designing an environment to support life? Inventing organisms?

    Creating a planet?



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    And where will YOU start out tomorrow?
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    I think there is but one 'maker'.

    And most who know of whom I speak refer to him as 'Creator'.

    All the rest of us are just trying to figure out where we fit in.
    Missing the target is not the worst thing you can do.
    Not taking the shot is.

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