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    Picked up this 45-70 ammo today, is this collectible?

    I bought these 3 boxes today off a guy and was really just wanting them to reclaim and reload the brass. Showed them to a retired marine buddy and hes telling me to list on gunbroker, they are really collector items. Looking for your opinions. Western box is stamped 62, not sure on Peters. The UMC is interesting, i took one apart and looks like cordite, and still burned...
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    Yes they are collectable. Gun Broker or our S&S section would be a great way to pass them along.
    They are worth more to collect than recycling the old brass.
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    The Peters box is 1962 to @ 1969. The Western box is older (late 1930's to mid 40's if my memory is right). The UMC box is much older, Remington and UMC combined @ 1908 and labeling changed sometime after that to show both companies (Remington/UMC). All are at least somewhat collectible though the Western and Peters boxes are not going to bring a big premium over shooting ammo.

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    they are all balloon heads. be careful old brass like them will sometimes separate at the base on shooting.

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    Cordite? So it was off-white long strands like spaghetti? That would be VERY collectible. I'd love to see a picture of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HangFireW8 View Post
    Cordite? So it was off-white long strands like spaghetti? That would be VERY collectible. I'd love to see a picture of that.
    Wish i kept the powder, i did a controlled burn right after taking the pic...

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    I wont shoot these. Havent even decided if i want to sell them yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by desi23 View Post
    The Peters box is 1962 to @ 1969. The Western box is older (late 1930's to mid 40's if my memory is right). The UMC box is much older, Remington and UMC combined @ 1908 and labeling changed sometime after that to show both companies (Remington/UMC). All are at least somewhat collectible though the Western and Peters boxes are not going to bring a big premium over shooting ammo.
    Very knowledgeable. An easy way to tell how vintage ammo is is the child warning -- that did not come about until 1962. I believe you to be correct on the other boxes also.

    I've collected 22 boxes almost my whole life, dad got me started. Haven't bought any recently as prices have skyrocketed. A good way to tell worth is to see what similar items sell for on gunbroker etc.

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    Thanks for the picture. It looks like a common extruded American type powder, probably single base (nitrocellulose), but only a chemical test could make that certain. It is missing the graphite coating that promotes flow and reduces static, thus the color.

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    Am I wrong about the Cordite? When you say common extruded powder, you are saying it's not Cordite, right? I was making an assumption since off-white that it must be. But honestly I've never seen any... I'm guessing I shouldn't disassemble anymore to have it checked.... wouldn't do me any good anyways.

    Quote Originally Posted by HangFireW8 View Post
    Thanks for the picture. It looks like a common extruded American type powder, probably single base (nitrocellulose), but only a chemical test could make that certain. It is missing the graphite coating that promotes flow and reduces static, thus the color.

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    Yes, I was trying to break it to you gently. It just lacks the graphite powder that would make it black.

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    Attached is a picture of cordite from a WWII British 303. The small disc was under the bullet.
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