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Thread: Bigger and slower or smaller and faster, 30-06 for deer?

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    Funny thing this thread got me thinking about. At the time I started using a 180 grain cast load in the 30-06, My wife and I were just married. Worked at a manufacturing job at night and roofed, plastered and did cement work during the day. My 30-06 was (and I still use it) a 1903 with a cut down C stock and a Weaver K4. I loaded shells with a Redding 7 c frame press and cast on a camp stove. Used a Kake cutter and pan to lube, shot as dropped oversize. Shot everything with that rifle with Unique powder and cast bullets. At that time in my life what I shot meant we had meat to eat after all the bills were paid. Good times

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    I don't have a lot of experience with lead in the 30.06 & deer. I have shot them with lead & the 30.30 & 44 mag. However, this year I did kill a deer with lead in my Rem 700 30.06. I used a NOE 311165rf design. Load was 4895 with dacron filler. Big flat nose on this bullet & it worked very well in my 30.30 so I decided to see how it would do in the 30.06. Here are some pics.

    100 yard group & no problems cycling the bolt or feeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewer12345 View Post
    Yes, I read the linked article, hence my interest in the rcbs mold. I suppose. I should look at even heavier boolits than that. Appreciate the warning on feeding issues. I was kind of thinking that would not be an issue with a bolt gun.

    Depends on the bolt gun. Push feed rifles like most of the later Winchesters don't do well with wide meplat boolits while the Ruger M77, "pre-64" Winchesters and other rifles using a controlled feed action don't seem to mind as much.
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    This is the RD 311-165 from NOE . I don't think you're going to get a bigger meplat mine comes in just under your desired 170 @168 , 171 checked and lubed ,170 PB dry .

    I also have if your 1-10 will shoot it the 311-230 .
    At 1800 fps it will carry 1000ftlb past 1000 yd and with a good alloy make mushrooms like this .
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    These are from a similar 200 gr bullet unavailable anywhere .
    They finished up at 195-197 gr and as large as .605 from a .316 paper patched and .308 naked , 2 different rifles same twist and same peak speed .

    Either way a critter under 350 # is in a lot of hurt with either one at 1800-2200 fps .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harter66 View Post
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    This is the RD 311-165 from NOE . I don't think you're going to get a bigger meplat mine comes in just under your desired 170 @168 , 171 checked and lubed ,170 PB dry .
    There's also the Ranch Dog TL-310-180-RF-GC, which was optimized for the throat of the .308 Winchester. Basically the same nose with a little more mass, and no reason at all you couldn't run it in the '06.
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    from my own experiences,a 200 grain in a 06 will tear up less meat,make a big hole on entry and exit but not blood shooting as much meat.
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    A good rule of thumb with any bore size, is heavy for caliber.
    The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
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    I've been running both Lyman's 170 gr FP, and their 210 RN in my M77 Ruger. I like the 210 very much. May play with the 210 an 300 Wby just for fun, never know what will happen, but might just have possibilities.

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Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check