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    A word on heavier than nominal cast bullets in the 1911 pistol. I have for many years used Lyman 452423 in the 1911 pistol. I have killed all manner of game including Texas Whitetail deer with it. I would not hesitate to use it as a defense load either.

    Since I have had DougGuy throat a Colt barrel I can seat the bullet out and achieve 100% reliable feeding. It is a good field load and defense load when pushed out the barrel by 4.5 - 4.7 grains of Bullseye. I will add a pic below with the difference in the OAL length between a throated and non-throated Colt barrel.

    That said, these 245 grain Keith type SWCs are not the do-all bullet the OP is seeking. The slide speed and recoil impulse will make then hard on the pistol in continued regular use. I am not a believer in heavier than nominal recoil springs. My pistols have Wolfe 16.5V springs in them.

    For this reason my vote goes to the 200 grain SWC for a do all everyday load, when pushed to the proper speed in a 1911 pistol. In a revolver these Keith SWCs and similar heavy bullets with a monster meplats are just the ticket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Char-Gar View Post
    A word on heavier than nominal cast bullets in the 1911 pistol. I have for many years used Lyman 452423 in the 1911 pistol. I have killed all manner of game including Texas Whitetail deer with it. I would not hesitate to use it as a defense load either.

    Since I have had DougGuy throat a Colt barrel I can seat the bullet out and achieve 100% reliable feeding. It is a good field load and defense load when pushed out the barrel by 4.5 - 4.7 grains of Bullseye. I will add a pic below with the difference in the OAL length between a throated and non-throated Colt barrel.

    That said, these 245 grain Keith type SWCs are not the do-all bullet the OP is seeking. The slide speed and recoil impulse will make then hard on the pistol in continued regular use. I am not a believer in heavier than nominal recoil springs. My pistols have Wolfe 16.5V springs in them.

    For this reason my vote goes to the 200 grain SWC for a do all everyday load, when pushed to the proper speed in a 1911 pistol. In a revolver these Keith SWCs and similar heavy bullets with a monster meplats are just the ticket.
    Not to hijack the thread, but the RCBS 45 Cowboy, a 235 grain bullet, is excellent in the 45acp. I use it quite a bit.

    Heavy hot loads beat your 1911 on one end and heavy recoil springs beat your 19911 on the other end! I couldn't agree with you more about heavy recoil springs. Do you run those shok-buffers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vzerone View Post
    Not to hijack the thread, but the RCBS 45 Cowboy, a 235 grain bullet, is excellent in the 45acp. I use it quite a bit.

    Heavy hot loads beat your 1911 on one end and heavy recoil springs beat your 19911 on the other end! I couldn't agree with you more about heavy recoil springs. Do you run those shok-buffers?
    I have had those shock buffers batter badly and tie up the pistol. I think I still have a dozen or so around here somewhere.

    I am not a hot load fan either. About 1963 I was shooting some hot 200 grain SWC over a big dose of Unique in a Remington-Rand 1911A1 when the firing pin stop came out the the firing pin jump out as well. I picked up the parts out of the dirt, wiped them off, reinstalled them and continued shooting, but not with the hot loads. I suppose a tightly fitted stop might not do that, but I was cured.

    Folks begin to try the RCBS Cowboy bullet shortly after it came out in the 1911 pistol with good results. Shortly we did a special order Lee six hole slightly modified version called the 45 BCM. I still have a never used on sitting on my shop shelf. Since then several mold maker like Accurate have produced similar bullets.
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    I have the Lee 452-230-TC non TL boolit. It feeds perfectly even in my hardball 1911. Accuracy is the same as with other cast boolits.
    I have never tried that combination in a hunting situation so cannot comment on it's effectiveness.

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ID:	210700The "all around load" I used for 5 years or so was 4.8 grains of Titegroup. I left my Pro-Jector set up for .45acp and 4.8 grains of Titegroup which gave me 200 gr #68s that made "major" for action pistol and 230 grain BD-acp loads that worked well for killing critters, and flew much more consistently at longer ranges than the SWCs. COAL stayed the same.
    I moved away from the single powder concept after coming into 24 lb of HPC-18 which I've been burning behind the #68s for a few years. I can get better velocity with the BD-acps using Bluedot, and I don't shoot so many of them that the cost is as much of a factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Char-Gar View Post
    I have had those shock buffers batter badly and tie up the pistol. I think I still have a dozen or so around here somewhere.

    I am not a hot load fan either. About 1963 I was shooting some hot 200 grain SWC over a big dose of Unique in a Remington-Rand 1911A1 when the firing pin stop came out the the firing pin jump out as well. I picked up the parts out of the dirt, wiped them off, reinstalled them and continued shooting, but not with the hot loads. I suppose a tightly fitted stop might not do that, but I was cured.

    Folks begin to try the RCBS Cowboy bullet shortly after it came out in the 1911 pistol with good results. Shortly we did a special order Lee six hole slightly modified version called the 45 BCM. I still have a never used on sitting on my shop shelf. Since then several mold maker like Accurate have produced similar bullets.
    Charles I know the earlier shok-buffs were made of a more rubbery material. The ones today are synthetic and believe I haven't been able to tear one up. Yes in personal defense if one tied the gun up it would be a serious thing. Thing is I only use them for target or plinking. Guess since deer and smaller animals aren't dangerous game using them wouldn't be serious if it tied up the gun.

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    My .45 acp go to load for years has been a 200 gr lswc with 5.7grs of unique. Iv'e run it through 1911's,p 220's,25-2's, a 625 even a marlin camp gun and a mectech carbine. The only gun I had a problem with was an xd for some reason they don't like swc shaped bullets.

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    I Tried to like TiteGroup with cast bullets as it metered great and was very consistent on the chronograph in a number of handgun calibers. I thought it burned a little hot and It seemed I was always scraping a little lead out of the barrel. My favorite load for the ACP is now 5.3 grains of 231 under a 200 gr. Lswc. No more leading, meters great.

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    Let me put in a good word for lighter bullets in the .45 ACP. I've shot a lot of commercial 155 grain, and my own cast 160 grain wad cutters with complete satisfaction, and my all time favorite .45 slug is the Accurate 45-185HB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scattershot View Post
    I don’t hunt with it, but my favorite load is a 200 SWC over 4.0 Red Dot, for a shade over 800 fps.
    I don't hunt with it but my press is set up for this load and I have no reason to change it. It has work well in every .45 I've tried it in, and that's been quite a few.

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    In my Remington-Rand 1911a1, Mihec's version of H&G 68 at 200 gr. with 5.2-5.3 gr Win 231 is a winner. ~800 fps I think. I chrono'd 5.4 of Win 231 at 823 fps in the same gun. The only game I've killed with it was a doe crippled in a car accident. From 10' it penetrated her fore head and lodged just under the skin in the neck. 6" or so. At less than 25 yds, I'd guess a .45 ACP would do for deer, but it would be far from my first choice. Rod

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    I love the Safeco 58 it feeds well in all my 1911's and with a meplat of .36 it lays a good smack on whatever it hits. At 215gr around 800fps it is also enjoyable to shoot. I had Tom at accuratemolds.com make me a 4 cavity mold and it will drain a pot in no time. How ever I also love the th 68 design but the bigger replay can do some amazing things

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    I run the HP version of the NOE copy of the H&G68 with 5gr of BE.
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    Lee 452-200-SWC over 5.0 gr of Bullseye is my go to load.

    I also like the Lee 452-160-RF over 9.4 gr of A #5. Fun and very accurate, it feeds great in my Auto Ordnance even though the OAL is quite short.


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    Lee 452-200 RF over 700x, does quite well, and is fun to shoot! Both .45’s love it. Just my .02
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    Waco, that's one good looking bullet. What alloy are you using and do you get expansion at .45 ACP speeds; say 800-850 fps? Also, if you don't mind, what's the mold number? Thx in advance, Rod

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    Quote Originally Posted by vzerone View Post
    Not to hijack the thread, but the RCBS 45 Cowboy, a 235 grain bullet, is excellent in the 45acp. I use it quite a bit.

    Heavy hot loads beat your 1911 on one end and heavy recoil springs beat your 19911 on the other end! I couldn't agree with you more about heavy recoil springs. Do you run those shok-buffers?
    I have the RCBS cowboy mold as well and it works in my 1911s just as well as my revolvers. I powder coat mine and load them over a near max load of unique.
    I don’t hunt with them since Nevada does not allow the 45acp to be used for large game animals. I can honestly say that they do well shooting through wet phone books though.


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    My vote is for the LBT LFN -230 5 grains of bullseye. Great all around combo

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmort View Post
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    I like the looks of that one.


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