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    What is it? 30-06 blown out

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    This came out of the range brass can @ gun club #2. There's a slight shoulder about 3/16" down from end of the case. Sitting at the club, don't have the tools to measure.

    What is it?

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    Seen something like this when someone tired making 444 Remington out of 06 brass.

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    Could be 400 Whelen or 400 Brown Whelen

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    Could be 400 Whelen or 400 Brown Whelen
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    I have seen similar when 308 was fired in an 30-06 chamber. The ones I found came from a garand that had had the insert pull out with a case being extracted.

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    Which ever shell holder fits it would be a place to start.
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    I do not recall seeing you at the range that day! Those were some odd-looking cases!

    Quote Originally Posted by country gent View Post
    I have seen similar when 308 was fired in an 30-06 chamber. The ones I found came from a garand that had had the insert pull out with a case being extracted.
    Rights, and Privileges, are not synonymous. We have the Right to Bear Arms. As soon as the Government mandates firearm registration, and permiting, then that Right becomes a Privilege, and may be taken away at our Master's discretion.

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    Look up the 411 Hawk -- Z Hat has information on that.
    It is the biggest bullet diameter 06 family cartridge that I know of. It could well be that. The shoulder is more like a forward belt, as far as Function.

    Looks like Fred retired or something, but you can poke around these links to see what you could find on the Hawk Cartridges.

    https://www.fredzeglin.com/

    https://gunsmithtalk.wordpress.com/

    https://gunsmithtalk.wordpress.com/2...-need-to-know/
    Last edited by TurnipEaterDown; 10-19-2023 at 01:13 PM.

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    06 parent case, neck is too short for the 400 Whelan.

    Case is too long for the .411 Hawk, with too short a neck.
    Last edited by 15meter; 10-20-2023 at 05:53 PM.

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    338-06 Ackley Improved if I were to guess, what does the case mouth measure ?

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    Now that I've shot my skeet rounds for the day and got rained out on sporting clays this afternoon, real measurements are:

    Mouth ID: .400

    Case length: 2.47

    Shoulder: 2.270-2.300 (4 cases measured, trying to measure shoulder without an optical comparator is a crap shoot)

    R-P headstamped 30-06 cases.

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    Not shot in a 30-06 for sure. I ran into a .308 Winchester marked case at the range one day that had obviously been fired in a 30-06 rifle. It was blown out straight like the case in your pictures. I figure someone had chambered a .308 in a 30-06 rifle without noticing the mistake. james

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    I shamefully admit that I fired an entire 8 rd. M1 Garand clip loaded with .308 Win. (7.62mm Nato) ammo in a Garand one time. That's just about exactly how the results appeared. It kicked like a mule! Afterward, I was picking up brass and thought to myself, "I guess somebody didn't want this .45-70 brass!" Then I looked at the headstamp, and then thought about my aching shoulder, and 2+2 = 4.

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    Kind of looks like an "Oopsie, I ran the reamer for a .400 Whelen in too far" to me.

    Otherwise, that is a very short neck for anything in the .40 caliber range of rifle rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Der Gebirgsjager View Post
    I shamefully admit that I fired an entire 8 rd. M1 Garand clip loaded with .308 Win. (7.62mm Nato) ammo in a Garand one time. That's just about exactly how the results appeared. It kicked like a mule! Afterward, I was picking up brass and thought to myself, "I guess somebody didn't want this .45-70 brass!" Then I looked at the headstamp, and then thought about my aching shoulder, and 2+2 = 4.

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    LOL, I have done the exact same thing, and thought it was someone else's 45-70 brass laying on the ground. It wasn't until I looked at the headstamps that I realized what I had just done.

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    Whats the headstamp say?

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    My headstamp said AFF, it was Australian military surplus. I don't remember the year offhand, but it's very good ammo in the correct rifle I still have some battle-packs of it and it shoots great out of my M1A.

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    For the third time, 30-06 as the parent case. There was a whole bunch of these in the scrap brass bucket. and some that looked like legitimate 400 Whelen. And a whole bunch of other wildcat brass.

    Including one with the sharpie notation "shot on the same day as the blow-up".

    Makes you wonder who is shooting what when you are on the line. It was at a private club that has 700+ active, life and probationary members. Don't have a clue who it is. I've done a fair amount of cartridge conversions over the years, I've never seen any thing with this short a neck. Even the 300 Savage has a longer neck, if I recall correctly.

    Case is too long for the .411 Hawk, with too short a neck.


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    Makes me think of picking up the cases at a rifle ranges near Houston Intercontinental, factory 8x57 rounds fired in a 30-06.

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    400 Whelan Improved???

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