Missed that memo, what velocities have you experienced? What boolit were you using?
Missed that memo, what velocities have you experienced? What boolit were you using?
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richhodg66,
According to NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC magazine, there are just two sorts of places: Those WITH a hog problem & those that soon WILL have a problem.
yours, tex
Years back, I killed a nice little sow near a peanut field (in a cold, drizzling rain) in the vicinity of Turkey, TX. (Home of Bob Wills). Next time I hunted that area I was informed that feral hogs had made peanut farming in that region unprofitable. Yes, hogs are a problem. Smoke 'em when you see 'em.
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Some of my favorite recipes start out with a handful of depleted counterbalance devices.
TAC14,
Your map is incorrect about WY, inasmuch as my aunt/uncle's property outside of Sheridan HAS a feral hog population. = The month before his passing in Summer 2015, my uncle shot two (of a good-sized group) in their back yard just before dusk.
(He BBQed both for a party.)
yours, tex
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TXGunNut,
We have a lady out of OK who traps them on our farm in NETX & exports the hogs to OK. = Periodically, "Jeanie" sends us a check for "our cut" of what she trapped.
(IF I was on the farm more, I'd shoot more for BBQ pigs. = My favorite BBQ is whole pigs that dress about 60-80 pounds & cooked with green hickory.)
yours, tex
It's been said... soften your alloy and slow it down ..you'll get more penetration and expansion without fragmentation.
A great article is in the THIRD Edition of Lyman's Cast Bullet Handbook, Pages 96-98, with a summary data demonstrating relationships between alloy/velocity/fragmentation (weight retention)/ and penetration. ( see attached file.)
Bottom line is this:
Hard Alloy + high velocity = Fragmentation and less penetration.
Semi Soft alloy (#2) + moderate velocity (1800-2000 FPS) = Penetration and expansion
I have found that soft alloy (8-9 BHN) heat treats easily to 20 BHN for the benefits of a hard rifle bullet, but avoids fragmentation associated with high antimony alloys at high velocity.
My issue is that I've never been able to collect a specimen bullet from a hog test medium... full pass through every time at 30/30 velocities, 30 cal 7mm, and 45/70.
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It's been said... soften your alloy and slow it down ..you'll get more penetration and expansion without fragmentation.-pls1911
Words of wisdom, neighbor! Thanks! I thought I was chasing what the rifle wanted, instead it seems I was just trying to make the powder happy. A 230gr, 35 caliber boolit doesn't need to go fast to be effective on TX game.
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Some of my favorite recipes start out with a handful of depleted counterbalance devices.
Play with your alloy a bit as described above, size a bit larger, and slow it down to around 1900 fps.
Cast soft, heat treat hard, shoot with moderate velocity. Your bullet will hold together.
I did this with 30-30 years ago and have never recovered a slug ... total pass through both shoulders on hogs and deer
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pls1911,
Fwiw, my GCCB load for my 9.3x62mm is 280 grains at about 1900FPS. = I, offhand, can think of NO creature in the Western Hemisphere that that rifle/boolit is inadequate to kill.
(Imo, any number of rifle calibers over .350" at about that speed, given a good shot, are equally capable.)
Note: I have a friend in Gravenhurst, ONT. who has taken a lot of BIG game with his SMLE "sporter" & .35 caliber wildcat (on a .303 British case).
yours, tex
Sorry if this has been asked before but.... what's the recoil on the 35 Whelen like?
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The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
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Forget everything you know about loading jacketed bullets. This is a whole new ball game!
But how would you compare it to say.... the 30-06? More severe? The same, but more "pushy"? or easier on the shoulder (doubt it?). Playing with the idea of rebarrelling a Mauser long action in a <150 "brush" gun and the 35 Whelen intrigues me especially for cast boolits. But I have no opportunity to try it.
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I found that a 250 grain bullet at 2400 fps felt about like a 165-180 grain factory round from a 30-06.
When you step up to around 2500 fps with the 250 grainer, then it becomes quite a bit more, or at least it seemed like it to me.
AND it depends on the weight of the gun.
I would say 30-06 + a bit
Mike
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The 35 Whelen with a big cast bullet....like the 360-310- Thumper at 1900 fps is a pleasure to shoot. Can't even compare it to a jacketed round in the Whelen, as it really is a push and not a slap as others have made reference to. Its a dull thud but boy does it ever slap a gong around the uprights.
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Only 50 yds mind you...but it does give hope out to 100 m or more. I had put a new scope on the rifle, unfortunately the sales person at Talley Rings told me I had a small ring Mauser..when I was certain I had a large ring ( Interarms Mk X) The back ring was low by about 60 thous...and I could not get it to go any higher than what you see on the target. I held on the top of the paper to get that group.
To me the whelen is a big slow push. Mine is a TC Encore and i can shoot it all day no problem.
Even with with full power jacketed(back when i used to shoot jacketed) it is more comfortable to shoot than my 06 was.
Could have something to do with the stock design on the Encore i guess, but i've heard many other whelen owners say about the same thing.
When I shoot my 35 Whelen with the NOE 360-310 FN over full charges, all those AR guys stop shooting and watch, LOL.
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