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    Mustard Seed? Buckshot? 38 special

    Long ago my Dad had me shoot up some old ammo. One of the boxes was 22 rimfire filled with mustard seed. He said it was for shooting mice inside a barn so you wouldn't put holes in the structure.
    They put holes in the paper target, but would barely put a hole in a clay pigeon at 5 feet.

    I wish I had kept at least one for my cartridge collection.

    Well now I just bought some speer capsules for 38, got me to wondering about the mustard seeds.

    Does anyone see a problem with trying out a shotshell filled with the seeds? I already have a handful made up with number 4 and number 8 shot scrounged from some old paper hulled shotshells.

    Also, what size buckshot would work in place of a gas check or wad atop shot if not using the speer capsules? Coat the buck with lee Alox, wad or check over the powder is my idea?

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    If you use a buckshot you will need to weigh your shot and the buckshot together to establish your load.
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    The biggest problem with an organic based load is weight vs powder charge. I don't see a problem, particularly in a speer capsule, with shooting mustard seed. However the only way you are going to tell squat about it is to load a capsule, and weigh it before loading the round to see what grain weight you are looking at. I suspect it will be staggeringly low which means some experimentation to get the load data correct and safe. You might consider, MIGHT consider, testing a single load with primer only (depending on the caliber) to see if you can recreate what cci does with their one 22 load that has no powder in it. Might work, might not, as always this is not advice and anything you do I am not responsible for. I would be interested in the end results. Always use safe loading procedures and published data.

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    Buckshot will go through the structure and leave a hole.

    For .38, try to find some .36 cal black powder balls.

    Or take a double ought buck and flatten it till it fits snug.

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    Buckshot will go through the structure and leave a hole.

    For .38, try to find some .36 cal black powder balls.

    Or take a double ought buck and flatten it till it fits snug.
    I guess I was asking questions about two kinds of loads.

    One was about mustard seed in a speer shot capsule.

    The other about what size buck to use in a buck and ball or simply buck, load.

    I just bought some 12 gauge with 000 buck. Cut one apart and used it to load over some 7 1/2 shot and a cardboard wad for a max weight of 122 grain. Charged with 4.5 grains of Unique.

    Will post what I find when I shoot em.

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    Seed in shotcapsul,new way to plant garden?

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    Someone actually sells rounds for shooting to sew seeds, IIRC that was on one of those gofundme type sites. I doubt that'd be popular with neighbors in suburbia...

    You could try lots of other seeds too, might want to be careful about ones with very hard shells lest they bounce off hard surfaces (buckwheat for example)

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    Mustard seed? I've always heard about rock salt in shotgun, but Mustard seed?
    Whatever!

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    Rock salt's pretty light and you may need to use BP to propel it, I'm told, I doubt mustard seed is much more dense so you might want to use a fairly fast powder

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    Actually, for propelling light loads out of a shotgun, Bullseye might be your ticket.. Anyone who loads shotshells eventually dishes in a shell or two.. not enough shot or wrong wad or some reason why the load does not crimp right. I used to take these shells with only a wad and fire them at the range to get back the hull for reloading. One time I made up some light target loads with Bullseye.. it is a book load from Hercules for 3/4 oz lead shot. Well I dished in a crimp, emptied out the shot, and proceeded to fire said "blank". It fired the wad just fine with a very convincing sounding shot.. I wondered about this.. loaded something in the same fashion.. I think it was rock salt.. and it fired just fine.. so it's possible that with a fast burning propellant like Bullseye, Clays, or the like to have enough pop to propel something that in other cases might create a squib condition. 2.5 - 3 gr of Bullseye with that shot capsule full of whatever else will likely work out just fine.

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
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