CMP has just released info on 1911's

[William Yanda]

I just got an email from the CMP detailing how they will handle sales of the 1911's they expect to receive. Lots of hoops to jump through. Mail orders only accepted, and then only after an announced date. When they get 10,000 requests, a lottery will be established, etc.

[nagantguy]

Thank you for the heads up! Figure though I can buy 2 more 1911s and not have to hope for lottery luck. Any idea as to price?

[HATCH]

from what I read the lowest priced ones will be $750-$800

I need another 1911 like I need a hole in my head.

[vzerone]

So are these going to be thoroughly worn out? The price was higher then I thought it would be.

[TNsailorman]

Read the requirements for purchase. Talk about jumping through hoops to get something! No thanks, james

[thegatman]

You can buy a nice used Colt in great condition for the price of one of those 1911's.

[lefty o]

more than likely overpriced rattle traps. my guess is like everything else the cmp will cherry pick out the good ones and auction them off later.

[vzerone]

I sure wish they would have been able to get those M1 Garands a while back.

[HATCH]

You might be totally surprised.
I suspect that most of them have been gone thru the arsenal prior to being stored.

I have gone to many GOV auctions on duece and a half trucks. You would be surprised to find out that over 80% of the ones that were sold had just be rebuilt prior to being stored and then sold.

[nagantguy]

They probably will be rebuilt and checked over thoroughly before being sold,the dirtiest loseest worn out hard used things in the governments arsenal always go to the Marines after the other branches/agencies have thrown them away

[Char-Gar]

I got the USGI 45s out of my system many long year ago. I won't be joining the children in the feeding frenzy.

[lefty o]

They probably will be rebuilt and checked over thoroughly before being sold,the dirtiest loseest worn out hard used things in the governments arsenal always go to the Marines after the other branches/agencies have thrown them away

the 1911's we were still using in the navy in the 80's and 90's were in fairly sad shape.

[DougGuy]

I *had* a 1943 Colt, slide numbered to the frame, very choice old warhorse it got away and I missed it ever since. Built a GI 1911A1 with a Remington Rand WWII slide and NOS mil spec parts on an AO frame, shoots so well I don't miss NONE of the old slabside originals. For me it isn't the gun that went to war, it's the gun that memorializes those who carried it to war.

[William Yanda]

Only one a year, they said price would be set after they got some in and evaluated.

[Shepherd2]

I'm not going to get into the frenzy. The 1911s we had in the Navy in the early 60s were trash. Rusty and badly beaten up. I remember one that looked like someone had pounded nails with the rear sight. If the price is really $750-800 shop around and you can buy a nice brand new 1911 for that money.

[Speedo66]

They won't be shipping it directly to you, and you will have to go through TWO background checks. No transfers to C&R licenses. They can keep 'em.

Here's their requirements:


Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.
A NICS background check will be performed by CMP on the customer to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.
The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person at the FFL dealers place of business, successfully passing a NICS check performed by the FFL holder, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer.
Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.

Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by a "store front" FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one performed by CMP and the other performed by the FFL dealer the pistol is being shipped to.

Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program

[Blanket]

they can keep them

[RPRNY]

They probably will be rebuilt and checked over thoroughly before being sold,the dirtiest loseest worn out hard used things in the governments arsenal always go to the Marines after the other branches/agencies have thrown them away

Thus the famous Marine saying "If we don't have it, the Army ain't done with it".

There is some, albeit wholly unsubstantiated, rumor that when the US armed forces were in the Philippines running around after the Huks (and Moros) in the early years of the last century, the Army were reissued SAA revolvers in 45 LC, but the Marines were given 44 Cal cap & ball Rogers & Spencers! It can't be true because by then the Rogers & Spencers had been sold to Bannon, but it certainly is apocryphal.

[junkbug]

I have seen pencil sketches (reproduced of course) of US National Guard troops escorting Moro prisoners carrying an old Starr percussion revolver.

[55fairlane]

Some 1911 info I got over the summer

CMP M1911A1 Status

Mr. Mark Johnson, the CMP Chief Operating Officer, gave the group of folks in the Range Officer Class some updates on the CMP’s M1911A1 Sales prospects. As those of you who have been following this know, it has been a real bureaucratic and political boondoggle and continues to be one.

But, the good news; the M1911A1’s are gathered up and packed in shipping containers, set aside awaiting the authorization to ship them to CMP. But, the picture gets more muddled from there.

The pistols need to be released by the Assistant Secretary of the Army (ASoA).

The previous authorizing legislation said that the ASoA “may” release them. The previous ASoA declined to do so for various internal and external reasons. This year’s enabling legislation says that the ASoA “will” release them, not a choice he needs to make. But – there is no ASoA; his appointment has been caught up in the decision of one political party to impede the functionality of the present administration in every way it can. Whoever is appointed is going to be buried and it is unlikely that these pistols are going to be one of his top priorities.

Then, there are all of the congressional roadblocks to the program.

Having an organization chartered by Congress (CMP) selling handguns to civilians gives the anti-gun people spasms. Whereas CMP can conduct an on-line background check and deliver an M1 rifle to your door; to sell M1911A1 pistols CMP had to register as an FFL holder – and M1911A1 sales and transfers will have to be done through an FFL holder. Reports continue to circulate that there will be sold on the Internet to anyone who signs up for them.

A further roadblock; one proposal is to only allow a small initial sale (maybe 5,000 pistols), then wait a year and see how many of these guns are traced through crime reports as having been used in crimes.

The people in Congress who have to act on these proposals do not know what an M1911A1 is; Mr. Johnson is making the rounds to the appropriate people telling the story “This is not a cheap pistol that Bubba is going to throw under the seat of his truck, it is a collector item that goes in a gun safe”.

Some other details:

CMP learned from M1 sales. There will be a one gun per year limit on sales. When they announce that the sales will start on x-date, they expect over 10K applications in the next mail delivery- seriously!

They are not going to be cheap, expect $800 and up depending on grade and manufacturer. The enabling legislation requires the CMP to sell these at “ … fair market value …”. Mr. Johnson made the comment “Let me know if you can find an original M1911A1 for under $500 anywhere and I’ll buy it”. Remington’s go for $800 -$900 +. A CMP 1911A1 may come in a collector case. The price will probably have an FFL transfer fee built into it – the buyer will not have to pay an additional transfer fee.

There may be a lot of pieces and parts that can be built up into CMP special grade pistols – to be seen. Look for an “as-issued M1911A1” match at the CMP National Pistol Matches.

He makes absolutely no prediction as to “when” – just that this probably will happen – whenever.