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    Empty brass weight

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    So. Received boxes of brass today... Uploaded all the pictures I could think of that were pertinent.

    -cases have a flared mouth and no crimp of any kind, so never loaded.
    -primer is not crimped but sealed,
    -boxer primed
    -11 gr of powder, measured in multiple cases.
    -cases are 200 gr each.
    -cases are annealed

    -one box reads----
    "20 CARTRIDGES"
    "7.62 NATO"
    "BALL M80"
    "LOT FA - X7.62 - 2775"
    "FRANKFORD ARSENAL"

    Anything else that would be of value, informationally?

    Thanks guys

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    Well, it seems clear that the boxes they came in have no relation to the cartridges. Boxer primed is interesting. The brass, primer and sealant have a USGI look to them, as least it seems that way to me (other than no headstamp).

    The light charge of powder and flared mouth seems to say blank or light cast bullet charge. Maybe someone ran out of cast bullets and put the corks in the otherwise loaded brass, just ready for a boolit? I'm just speculating.

    If it's something more than someone's oddball garage project, then it's outside of my realm of knowledge.

    It is interesting either way. Thanks for posting it.

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    Probably european plastic bullet blanks with the boolit pulled and the powder stored - for who knows what reason. Many, if not most of them had no headstamps.
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    I do know one thing - there ain't no way that I would seat a bullet on those powder charges, chamber, and fire them. I'm vote for the anthill fireworks show.
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    Yeah, after seeing that there is only 11 gr. of powder in there and it certainly isn't 4895 or something else, it's going to be a yard fireshow. The brass is very interesting and I want to take some time and measure and weigh a set and see how close they are...

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    yup, undoubtedly a very fast powder.

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    11.0 grs of Bullseye? I'm not where I can reach a manual so not even sure if that's a credible charge.
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    11g of magic mystery powder, or as I like to call them , lawn fertilizer.

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    What you have is a box of somebody's "schutzen" loads. The bullet is placed into the barrel throat with a breech seating tool and a loaded case is chambered behind the bullet. The wadding is to keep the powder next to the primer and the cork if to keep everything in place until the round is loaded into the barrel.

    Most likely the powder is Unique, 2400 or some equivalent.
    Disclaimer: The above is not holy writ. It is just my opinion based on my experience and knowledge. Your mileage may vary.

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    Fascinating. Just read up on reduced 30-06 loads and there is quite a bit of information. The Schutzen load idea is very interesting and makes a lot of sense. The only thing that's peculiar is the unmarked brass...

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    Mysterious and interesting!

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    Yes, I wonder about the origin of that brass. From the photos it sure looks like virgin brass. I’ll bet the guys at cartridgecollectors.org could tell you all about it.

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    New pictures!

    According to the seller, the cases are originally designed for biological warfare. He provided me some documentation. The seller was the one that wrote the article in the IAA.

    Very interesting information.

    And a nice addition to my collection.

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    Guy! I recall from somewhere in my memory reading that Before the 7.62x51 NATO was adopted there was another NATO cartridge... The 7.62x63 NATO....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanD View Post
    Guy! I recall from somewhere in my memory reading that Before the 7.62x51 NATO was adopted there was another NATO cartridge... The 7.62x63 NATO....
    7.62x63 = .30-06

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