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Thread: Getting serious with 8x56r

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    I haven't shot the long rifle, but I can attest that Nazi 1938 ammo is brutal from the carbines! I chronographed and it's plenty hot for that old of a rifle and cartridge. The 8x56R is a very underated round. If you think about it and you have one that has a fat groove, you are very close to it being a 338 then a 323 groove for a 8x57. That's an impressive round.

    I use to shoot wheelweight alloy and 50-50 alloy from mine and I shot the fattest bullets that would chamber. It shot cast exceptionally well. I did have to put a higher front sight on my carbine as it shot extremely high at 100 yards.

    So if you fellows thing the long rifles can be unpleasant with that original ammo try shooting the carbine!!

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    I didn't notice anything "brutal" about the Nazi marked surplus ammo, 5 rounds chronoed an average of 2285 fps.


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    Recoil Impulse: 2.9 lb•s
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    Quote Originally Posted by vzerone View Post
    So if you fellows thing the long rifles can be unpleasant with that original ammo try shooting the carbine!!
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    I can only imagine what the carbines are like with military ammo. My experience shooting same in my long rifle was enough for me. Changing to cast and appropriate charge of powder made firing it a lot more pleasant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyhole View Post
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    I can only imagine what the carbines are like with military ammo. My experience shooting same in my long rifle was enough for me. Changing to cast and appropriate charge of powder made firing it a lot more pleasant.
    I would have loved to tried that military in the full length rifle. I will take your word for it. You know both the cast and jacketed military are over 200 grains and when you get a bullet of that weight moving you have to pay some in recoil. Steel buttplates down help any either!

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    Ya all have to quit talking about these things. I may need to scrub the cosmoline out of the two I got and shoot them. I have a bunch of Nazi marked stuff but won't rather shoot some of my loads. Just not enough to time in the day. Should have bought a few more at $59 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJP View Post
    Ya all have to quit talking about these things. I may need to scrub the cosmoline out of the two I got and shoot them. I have a bunch of Nazi marked stuff but won't rather shoot some of my loads. Just not enough to time in the day. Should have bought a few more at $59 though.
    By all means, drag them out, clean them, and have fun. Remember that Nazi stuff has corrosive primers.

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    That's the reason I've been lazy. I have too many to clean now that haven't been shot with corrosive ammo. That and I'd rather load some of my own. It'll get done one day, might be by my son though.

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    I tried the Lee 338 mold a few years back with Trail Boss. Unsized, no gas check. The throat and neck in the carbine I was using is so big that the unsized .340 diameter bullet slides right in a fired case and the nose never touches the rifling.

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    I found a little old single cavity Lee 338 on EBay for 12 bucks. So I spent today having some fun in the 80 degree sun.

    These drop at .340 and chamber just fine. Crazy for a .332 groove rifle. I think these have more of a forcing cone than a **** lead.....

    I believe I'll size to 338 as that is a commonly available sizer, and NOE stocks a .336 expander for my expanding die.



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    I bought a 338 sizer. But NOE only stocks a 338 x 334 expander plug. Thats .004 smaller than my bullets. Is that too much press fit in the cases? I usually shoot for .002 press fit to keep things concentric......

    Might be okay, since the 8x56r has a short neck and could use the extra tension.....these drop at 218 grains.

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    ...............You could get Lathesmith to make a caseneck expander to your desired specs. If you want to seat them out to engrave, you might not have much of the boolit in the neck anyway Sure wouldn't hurt to do a chamber cast to show you exactly what you have to deal with. Early on, checking with the issue 1938 ammo, on a couple rifles with the jacketed slugs if you tried to seat them out to engrave they'd be too long to enter the magazine.

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    Al is going to make a quick run for me of a .339 x 335 expander. He agreed 4 thousandths is probably a bit much.

    I get about 3/16 of bullet engraving and that is with them seated to the base of the neck.

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    5 test cartridges with 45g RL22 with the Lee 338 sized 338. No gas checks yet.

    Smooth extraction and feeding, clean burning and good power. But only 5 rounds gave me some lead frosting down the bore, with a light lead ring at the muzzle.

    I'm assuming 338 down a 332 tube will cause leading. Going to see if the gas checks will help reduce once I order some. Also tumbling the sized and lubed bullets in some alox to boot.



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