A buddie's daughter didn't care for the recoil of his Howa .308 with factory ammo. She didn't mind my cast/powder coat load, 26.5gr. H4895, at around 1700fps.
Hunting in Cleburne county, she shot her first deer, a spike at 30 yards broadside, a little far back. It fell down a small mountain for about 200 yards, leaving a large blood trail. Hit the back of a lung, blew apart the liver, and got into the guts a little. Baseball-size exit wound.