They're down under $100 and at that price, HMMMM. RCBS one (if it's good, seems likely) is decently below that price point. So I am looking at that as it'd be nice to KNOW velocities You can do without them, of course, so I may wait a decent while first. I suspect I am partly window-shopping Could build one and use the palmtops I have to do the math, but at $80ish and with reloading / fire forming to do? Seems a bad choice - Prioritize!