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    Shooting Handguns and Shotguns at Front Sight this weekend

    Going for my biannual Front Sight trip this next weekend.

    I will be shooting in a 2 day Handgun Course on Friday and Saturday with my G23 which I have not gotten to shoot much yet. I have dry fired it a bunch and just put a set of Tru-Glo Tritium/Fiberoptic Night Sights on it. They are very bright in either Day Light or at Night.

    On Sunday I will be attending an introduction to Precision Rifle Class (all indoors) where they teach you everything you are supposed to know to shoot your Precision Rifle out to many yards. Looking forward to seeing just how deep they get into that subject, probably lots to learn using an I Phone based Ballistic Calculator and Mildot Master.

    Then on Monday it will be into a 2 day Tactical Shotgun Course. I have never took that course and it will be fun to learn some Advanced Scattergun Handling which will benefit my 3 gun shooting a lot. I can run a shotgun, but my overall gun handling sucks. Learning the proper techniques and getting drilled on them will help immensely.

    I only wish they would have had all this stuff available 30-40 years ago when I was younger.

    So, off I go,,, and I will report back on my progress when I get home next week.

    Hope to see some of you there?

    Randy
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    Randy, Sounds like a lot of learning and a lot of fun.Hope you have a great time. Looking forward for update when you get back.

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    Well,,, I'm back !!!

    the handgun class was OK and I got to shoot my new G23 a lot. I can hit with it nearly as well as I shoot the G21 but it is a smaller gun so it runs a bit different. Still a Glock and everything is the same as other Glocks, just a slightly different feel.

    The Precision Rifle Class was all indoors and all about all the idiosyncrasies of Precision Rifles and long distance shooting. The Mechanical Factors which govern most of any shot are Velocity and Ballistic Coefficient of the Bullet. These two factors define the trajectory which gets the shot to the target's range. At greater ranges your Ranging has to be at least good to +/- 10 yards!

    The other factors like Spin Drift, and Coriolis Effect only apply to shots beyond 800 yards, but the big one is Wind! And whereas there are lots of ways to read it, it is still a Mysterious Factor which requires some Intestinal Fortitude, and possibly Divine Guidance.

    Shotguns were a different story . First if considering a Tactical Shotgun don't go nuts, just buy a Mossberg 500 or 590. The Mossberg Pump guns are by far the easiest to run and shoot.

    Guys on both sides of me had Rem 870's and had nothing but problems running them as they have some seemingly small idiosyncrasies that rear their ugly heads when clearing malfunctions and make life very difficult. They have relatively small Ejection Ports which make Port Loading tougher and the lifter has a big wall on it that makes ejecting spent hulls harder than it needs to be. Overcoming these problems slows you down a bunch. Mossberg's don't have these problems

    Semi Autos are fine for competition but cause bigger problems when clearing Malfunctions. Don't for one second think that shotguns don't malfunction. They do, and they are subject to the same types of malfunctions as any other firearm type. Semi-Autos are simply harder to run, and unless you are willing to put in the time and effort to learn how to run one effectively, you are better off with a simple pump gun. (Mossberg 500/590)

    I could consistently get 2 aimed shots off in 2-3 seconds from the low ready. I was also able to get 3 slugs into the head of my target at 50 yards in less than 10 seconds! Offhand! See pic.

    I did get a little beat up shooting my gun but the biggest problem was getting my cheek pinched between the comb of the stock and my Hearing Muffs. Got a nice bruise to show for that. Shoulder was fine but I already ordered an adapter from Magpul to install a conventional Recoil Pad. The gun weighs 7 lbs 12 oz and really needs to be a pound heavier, but the just isn't any place to put the lead.

    I also ordered a Velcro Side Saddle Shell Carrier. These are held on the left side of the receiver with a piece of Adhesive Velcro and all you have to do to do a Tactical Reload is rip off the one on the gun and slap a loaded one on. It also doesn't get in the way when port loading. www.browncoattactical.com.

    Needless to say the trip was vary informative and I learned a lot of new things that I can practice at home and go back ready to get vicious on my next trip.

    I would also urge those who would consider "Home Invasion" at my place to reconsider, as now instead of getting shot several times with a .45,,, they would be facing a 12 ga.

    The chances of surviving a load of buckshot or a slug at >15 yards are not too high.

    Randy

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    Just a suggestion about the shotgun. If you want it heavier, put the weight in the butt stock. This helps with the recoil and improves the pointability of the weapon. It will feel a little strange at first but you will quickly get used to it and appreciate the difference in how it handles. Since the weight is in the butt, which doesn't move much, it actually seems to speed up the barrel end.
    If a wood stock, you can use the mounting bolt hole or simply drill another hole and fill it with shot or steel. If a polymer stock, usually there is some empty space inside the stock that can be filled with shot or aquarium gravel.
    I used the aquarium gravel trick on a couple of polymer stocked rifles I own and it worked a treat.

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    Leave a little open space in that plastic stock and you can shake it a bit ......... the attacker will think there is a mad rattler about to strike!

    Sorry, could resist.

    I am surprised about the revelations about the 870 though. I will have to have a heart to heart with one of my BIL’s as he was a prison guard supervisor and an armored at a state prison in our state. He’s all over 870’s, AR’s and HK USP’s like a cheap suit and in a good way.

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    My M500 has Magpul furniture on it, The Buttstock is nearly solid. First thing I thought was dumping some shot into it, but it just doesn't have that much room. called Magpul to verify and they confirmed that the stock is nearly solid.

    They did have a Recoil Pad Adapter that replaces the current one and adapts Full Size Remington Gel Type pads, so I ordered both pieces from Midway for $25 and will mount them when they arrive. That should spread out the impulse quite a bit.

    Here's a pic of the gun as it sits now. I also have one of my 1.5" side mounted slings on the gun, and it carries cross body very well.

    I realize this is the Handgun Section so I'll probably just add a Holster to the side of the shotgun so I can talk about it here.

    Randy
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    Snort, good thing I wasn't drinking coffee.
    But you mention a holster. Someplace I have a picture of my brother when he lived in Alaska where he is standing in a stream fishing with his Mossberg in a sheath slung diagonally across his back, for "just-in-cas-ies." He averred that he could unlimber the shotgun just about as fast as he could unsnap and draw his SBH, and the 70 caliber barrel seemed more promising than the .429 one!
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