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A man....................ok just kidding 20 gauge with slug-00buck-slug slug slug in a defensive shotgun with tactical sling
Given the terms of the situation including her lack of skill & poor desire to improve said deficiency....I'd go with both the 20ga auto and track shoes recommendations. First 2 loads #9 trap followed by 3 slug loads....blind him, pray a slug accidentally finds it's mark and track shoes to run like hell when the gun's empty. JMHO......
An old Cherokee was teaching his grandson about life. "Inside me two wolves fight," he told the boy.
"One is evil - he is anger, envy, greed, arrogance, self-pity, resentment, lies, false pride, and ego. The other is good - he is joy, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, generosity, truth and faith. The same fight is inside you - and every other person, too."
The grandson thought for a minute and asked,"Which wolf will win?"
The old Cherokee replied, "The one you feed."
I would suggest a short legged fatter friend who is slow of foot.
Now really she needs practice and a good dog or two. A shotgun on a sling for walks in the forest or what ever revolver she can handle. The bigger the better.
teach her to throw hand grenades....and hit the deck.
On thinking more - Showed her a Hi Standard model 10B shotgun? Bullpup and sorta Mac-10ish format, semi auto so it should absorb some of the recoil; Not in production, sadly, and NOT free; But carries a fast 5 rounds in the tubular magazine iirc. (Not owned one; Sorta wanted one since I knew they exist tho LOL)
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/High_Standard_Model_10
With all the restrictions/roadblocks to adequate protection, I think her best bet is a fat slow companion!
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Idaho45guy, I stand corrected. Gunsite is what I had in mind. I believe Gunsite is located on Cooper's Thunderbird Ranch.
A recent conversation with her father revealed she is open and even somewhat enthusiastic about professional training. Her father and I have been close friends for about 60 years. We are both avid gun people but admittingly piss-poor shooting instructors.
Her father and I with some disagreement have narrowed the handgun choices down to three. Ruger Alaskan, the new five shot S&W 44 mag and I recently added fuel to the fire by suggesting a 10 mm. She is a petite women but very headstrong and somewhat a workaholic. What ever she decides, hopefully with a competent instructor's input. I belive with her determination she will master whatever hand cannon she decides.
THX!! for everybody's input and advice.
Sometimes we just have to walk away from foolishness, and this sounds like total foolishness. Some folks have an unrealistic vision of reality.She has had minimul shooting experience
She has shoulder problems resulting from an auto accident. A 12 ga was to painful for her. At a recent outing she rapid fired a pump 20ga with buck and slugs, it was painful and she refused to continue.
handled a 44 mag Redhawk with a 7"+ barrel but only managed 3 shots from a 4" S&W 41 and 2 shots from a 4" S&W 44 before calling it quits. Her handgun shooting at 15 yards was all over the target.
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I agree. Help until you see to many excuses or resistance and then write off the person as one to help.
Like someone asking for help when they see you possibly knowing more on a subject than them and then they want to argue with you on everything. If they know enough to argue with you then they don't need to be asking questions.
Ok, here is my two cents worth.
1. Lg can of bear spray.
2. S&W model 629 in 44 mag with a 8-1/8" barrel.
Two handed practice with 44 specials. As mentioned a quality chest holster and spray holder on a belt should work fine. I have shoulder impairment of 15 percent from a job working in a mill, but this revolver is heavy enough with the full lug to be steady and is very easily to shoot with one hand with almost no muzzle rise. The only downside to this caliber if she learns to shoot it is after two or three rounds of full load 44's unless she is planning on being outdoors and wearing ear protection her ears are really going to hurt something aweful.
Yesterday, I stopped at my friends house. Before pulling off the road and into the drive I could see him cleaning leaves out of the gutter and his wife holding the ladder at the bottom.
I got out of my truck and walked to where they were working. When I got next to Mrs.G. I scared her so bad she turned and screamed and hit me 4 or 5 times before she got control of herself.
Now, if I can scare a civilized person who knows and trusts me, think of what a wild grizzly bear would do to someone if you scare them!
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A .410 pump with slugs would be better than a handgun that she can't hit anything with.
Good advice here. Bear spray in some quarters is better than a gun that misses. Besides Grizzlies take to long to bleed out. A barking dog and a can of bear spray would be all she really needs. A heavy handgun is not going to be any use for her and a smaller one just might make the situation worse. She would be well advised to take some training on how to use bear spray. When out and about it pays to let the critters know where you are. Gives then a chance to get out of your way.
Take Care
Bob
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"If the human population held hands around the equator, a significant portion of them would drown"
Everyone turns and twist away from a Glock M20 10MM but if she has the strength to rack the slide it would be a good carry gun without heavy recoil.
Carrys well inside the waist band or out side carry either one.
Do people,have some kind of adversion to a 10MM or just an adversion to me?
If it is me, I couldn't care less, but don't let your disdane for me bias you from a great cartridge with decent power. Buffalo Bore 220 gr hard cast or Underwood in the same would be okay. The same brands of ammo in the 200 gr XTP at around 1250 would be good too.
And 16 rounds too for those that believe in laying down a line of fire.
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That is so they can find the bear scat to track the bear. Just look for scat with seasoned with pepper.
Bear spray is limited to under 35 feet, much too late on a charging bear. I second the lever rifle in 44 mag suggestion, and a emergency boat horn. If those are out of the question then a pair of rottweilers.
I guess it depends where you live. Up here the bush is so thick 35 ft maybe more than you will have before you would even see the bear. 'That said most Black's are pretty timid/shy and are more live and let live.
Don't confuse bear defense with hunting bear. A real short trapper length lever gun will get you maybe one shot off if you are lucky. Bear spray and noise are probably your two best friends in bear country. Failing the spray a .357.44mag in a revolver <4" barrel might be your best last chance. The ones I have encountered either beat a hasty retreat or just wandered off once they got a sense they were in no danger. Lots of good info out there on bears. A little common sense and noise goes a long way in keeping everyone on the same page.
A short barreled 12 gauge with slugs is what I field on the rare occasions I decide to go hiking. Not an option for the gal mentioned here though.
Take Care
Bob
Its been months since I bought the book, "How to scam people online". It still has not arrived yet!
"If the human population held hands around the equator, a significant portion of them would drown"
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