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    '91 Argentine production dates

    After looking for production dates for the '91 Argentines I'm stumped. Does anyone know when a rifle made with the N prefix and 4 digit serial number was made?

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    I've got an "F" marked one from 1893. Seems like a bunch of the links I used to find out the manufacture date no longer work. There is a list on this page partway down. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a.../t-387920.html N**** looks to be 1896.

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    Thanks! That helps a lot.

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    1896 from N0000 to O4999. There were 15,000 total made in 1896 and that was the last year rifles were made by Ludwig Loewe. The name changed to DWM after this batch.

    They all have 4 digit serial number as they were numbered in blocks of 9,999 with a letter prefix.

    Mine is a C-prefix made in 1892 and is 100% matching down to the cleaning rod.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchman View Post
    1896 from N0000 to O4999. There were 15,000 total made in 1896 and that was the last year rifles were made by Ludwig Loewe. The name changed to DWM after this batch.

    They all have 4 digit serial number as they were numbered in blocks of 9,999 with a letter prefix.

    Mine is a C-prefix made in 1892 and is 100% matching down to the cleaning rod.

    Does that apply to the various carbines too Dutch? It's insteresting to know that Loewe was Jewish. Later on it caused problems for the company.

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    In July 1961, a gun shop in Lewistown, PA had a barrel full of MINT condition M1891 7.65MM rifles for $16.88 each. My twin brother and I each bought one. Mine was L16XX with a short upper handguard and my bother's was M72XX with a long upper handguard.

    The 7.65MM is a fine cartridge. I have several M1909 rifles and all are fine cast boolit arms like the original M1891 rifle.

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    Hummm, where would N8099 fit in?

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    1896 from the numbers Dutch gave.
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    In the early 1960s, every local PA gun shop had many military surplus guns and I wanted them all. I was 15 years old mowing lawns for $1.00 per hour and cut all the grass I could and bought many guns which I still own. The Gun Control Act of 1968 ended those Glory Days of gun collecting and we are all now much safer? I guess San Berdanino, Orlando and Las Vegas were not affected by GCA 1968?

    Only honest gun collectors are hindered by "Good Laws", I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vzerone View Post
    Does that apply to the various carbines too Dutch? It's insteresting to know that Loewe was Jewish. Later on it caused problems for the company.
    Does what apply to carbines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchman View Post
    Does what apply to carbines?

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    Those serial number ranges you posted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vzerone View Post
    Those serial number ranges you posted?

    Carbines have their own serial number ranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchman View Post
    Carbines have their own serial number ranges.

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    That's what I thought. Do you happen to have those too Dutch? If you do I'd like to see you post them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vzerone View Post
    That's what I thought. Do you happen to have those too Dutch? If you do I'd like to see you post them.

    What's the serial number of the carbine and I'll look it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchman View Post
    What's the serial number of the carbine and I'll look it up.

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    Dutch sorry it took me a while. The number is C 08##. Early one?

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    I found this in meantime. Does my carbine serial number match what is listed here, which is 1892?

    Model 1891..Long Guns..........Carbines
    1892.........A0000-C4999
    1893.........C5000-F9999........A0000-A4999
    .........................................B0000-B4999
    1894.........G0000-L4999
    1895.........L5000-M9999........A5000-A9999
    .................BU00-BU199
    .................EM00-EM124
    .................EN00-EN74
    1896.........N0000-O4999

    M1891 DWM

    1899.........O5000-T7999........B5000-C5999
    1900.........T8000-V3999........C6000-C9589
    1901.........V4000-W9999........E5540-8039



    M1909 DWM

    ................Long Guns............Cavalry Carbine.....Engineers Carbine
    1909.........A0000-A2999
    1910.........A3000-K4999........A0000-B1999.........A0000-A5999
    1911.........K5000-M9999........B2000-C3999
    1912.........N0000-P9999......................................A6000-A9999

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    Looks like 1899 for a carbine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchman View Post
    Looks like 1899 for a carbine.

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    Wouldn't that pull it out of the Antique class? It was sold and bought as an Antique. What do you think of the other chart I put up? It's not saying it's an 1899.

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    yes an 1899 is not an antique by the AFTE's definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lefty o View Post
    yes an 1899 is not an antique by the AFTE's definition.
    According to the chart I found and posted mines an 1892.

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