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    Quote Originally Posted by crackers View Post
    "After emptying a box of shot shells she generally feels more human."
    I don't think the water has an effect, I see it as a 12ga massage.
    Actually... I think you're right. But she loves the visual effects too.
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    Velocity is your friend for exploding produce.5 A lemon hit with a 22-250 will vanish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckshotshoey View Post
    Yea? Tell me something that ISNT illegal in California. You gave no indication you were in the land of the oppressed.
    1)The government harboring illegal aliens. 2)Infringing on the 2nd amendment.

    Al, you can go to a softer alloy with that flat point. Or, change bullets to something like the 457-122 HP in softer lead too. Or, change rifles to a bottleneck for some more velocity. A 30-30 factory round might be the bar to set other bullet/cartridge performance by.
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    Yep, them punkins kin be pretty tough suckers!
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    Load that Marlin up with a 540 gr at 1500 fps and shoot a big animal in the center of the chest. Or maybe 20 pumpkins lined up and see how it performs.
    We Know Mass Cannot Be Weighed But It Has Newtonian Weight And That Is Derived From Kilograms And Kilograms Can Be Converted to Pounds. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed. But How is the kilograms obtained? Can Kilograms Be Weighed? Evidentally Yes It Can. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed So Kilograms Must Not Exist. Funny Isn't It.
    One good thing out of this the next time I'm at the doctors and they want to weigh me I'll tell them mass cannot be weighed.

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    Dangerous things pumpkins, can attack at any time.need big boolits for them.

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    Your pumpkin didn't have a tight fitting top.
    Get a 1 gal. milk jug with the cap , fill it, up to the tippy top with H2o and screw on the cap. Then shoot it. My kids still remember me doing that to show them what a bullet can do. We were having safety lessons.
    Don't hollow out the pumpkin. Shoot it whole....a water melon will work also.

    Basically it sounds like you had a open pail ( the hollow pumpkin) , filled it with water and shot it , as you saw not much happens with an open pail.
    The pumpkin didn't get you , you just forgot to screw a lid on it. Containment is what causes the water to rip the target apart...you simply lacked containment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckshotshoey View Post
    Yea? Tell me something that ISNT illegal in California. You gave no indication you were in the land of the oppressed.
    Voting Democrat is legal....I think !
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    I'm with the people that suggested not full enough. Water has to transfer shockwave and pressure to pumpkin, air space will allow for a "shock absorber" effect I would think. While hollow point might be more impressive I would think a flat point would still deliver significant force. Try the full water bottle with cap on tight, that should tell you if the bullet/velocity are able to yield a bursting force.

    Don't open the pumpkin much, Just enough to get a funnel in to fill it with water to the top. Possibly a larger opening could act as a pressure relief valve.

    I wouldn't say you lost to the pumpkin. After all a double tap to insure pumpkin demise seems within the parameters of you win pumpkin loses.
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    Many have mentioned the full plastic gallon jug as a target. I will never forget shooting one with a 200gr .350 Rem Mag Factory load on a calm humid July morning. There was a spray with pieces of jug, sort of a mist and a cloud of vapor that floated away...
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    Yes, what they said! You either need much more velocity or a giant HP boolit. I vote for giant HP! That FP will sale right on through without making much disturbance as you've found out.

    I occasionally like to blow stuff up and HP's do a wonderful job where solids do not. The pumpkin itself has little resistance so the water is what will cause the HP to expand... or at least for the most part in my experience.

    Now if you were trying to stop a bear the 405 gr. FP is the way to go.

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    I once used a full throttle load with a 300 H&H and one of those huge HP Speer 130 grain bullets on a small watermelon to demonstrate the effect. It was an eye opener to the new shooter.
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    a lot of you guys i think were right on the money and its easy to think about now that you pointed it out. Air space in the pumpkin cushioned the water from expanding outwards. I didnt fill it to the top as i only went up to 85% full. Top was not hollow, i cut a hole and placed the piece back onto the pumpkin. 2nd attempt i'll cut a hole from the top so that i can reach the max volume and ill bring two sets of loads. Same as last time using unique 1100fps and a new load using 50gr of Varget on the 457-405gr FP. That bullet should reach near 1700fps from lyman load data.

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    Milk jugs full of water "blow up better with faster projectiles don't know if this is true for pumpkins.

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    Is it true that they shoot pumpkins?
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    Not enough powder! Try 32 grains of Accurate Arms 5744 with your 400 grain bullet. The result will be pumpkin parts and pieces. I've shot this load for 5 years in my Taylor Arm's Quigley with scary results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Engineer1911 View Post
    Not enough powder! Try 32 grains of Accurate Arms 5744 with your 400 grain bullet. The result will be pumpkin parts and pieces. I've shot this load for 5 years in my Taylor Arm's Quigley with scary results.


    i only have unique, h335 and varget to work with.

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    We used to shoot cull watermelons and canteloupes with whatever we had. Found out quickly to stay a good bit away if using anything over 3000 fps and even farther for 4000 fps loads! Gallagher and his "Sledgeomatic" have nothing on a 22-250 or .220 Swift.

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    MORE SPEED , 223 55gr soft points at 3200fps makes for impressive visuals on water jugs

    we sold pumpkins when I was younger , any that wern't looking so good we took back to the shop and shot out back , but we only had access to our deer guns at the time , 12ga slugs even at 1600fps are rather unimpressive on pumpkins so after a few we just tossed them out back for the deer to eat.
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