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    Assuming she meant how we prevent this, we can't.

    https://reason.com/blog/2015/10/04/t...ns-why-neither

    "The New York Times notes that mass shooters tend to share certain traits, including isolation, anger, and depression. But that does not mean they can be identified before they commit their crimes, because many other people with these traits never kill anyone. "What seems telling about the killers," says the Times, "is not how much they have in common but how much they look and seem like so many others who do not inflict harm." As Northeastern University criminologist James Alan Fox, an expert on mass murders, tells the paper, "The big problem is that the kind of pattern that describes them describes tens of thousands of Americans—even people who write awful things on Facebook or the Internet. We can't round up all the people who scare us." Duke University psychiatrist Jeffrey Swanson concurs:

    Sure, you've got these risk factors, but they also describe thousands of people who are never going to commit a mass shooting. You can't go out and round up all the alienated angry young men.

    The observation that mass shooters cannot be identified before the fact is obviously relevant to proposals for expanding the use of forcible psychiatric treatment as a way of preventing these crimes. But it is also fatal to the idea that background checks are the key to stopping mass murderers. As Brian Doherty noted on Friday, all of the guns used by the perpetrator of last week's massacre in Oregon were purchased legally, either by the killer himself or by his relatives. The fact that the killer bought weapons from federally licensed gun dealers means he repeatedly passed background checks, presumably because he did not have a disqualifying criminal or psychiatric record, which is typically the case with mass shooters.

    A sidebar to the Times story obfuscates that point, saying "criminal histories and documented mental health problems did not prevent at least eight of the gunmen in 14 recent mass shootings from obtaining their weapons, after federal background checks led to approval of the purchases of the guns used." In three of these cases, information that arguably would have blocked the purchases was not obtained, either because of FBI negligence or because of incomplete databases. But in the rest of the cases, the "criminal histories and documented health problems" to which the Times refers were not legally disqualifying because they did not involve felonies or court-ordered psychiatric treatment. And in none of these cases would requiring background checks for all gun transfers—the most commonly mentioned response to mass shootings—have made a difference.

    The obvious response is to expand the criteria for prohibiting gun ownership. But as I mentioned last week, those criteria are already excessively broad, arbitrarily depriving millions of people who pose no threat of their Second Amendment rights. Expanding the criteria—to include, say, people with psychiatric diagnoses or people whose disruptive behavior gets them fired from jobs or kicked out of school—would only compound this unconstitutional injustice while doing little to prevent mass shootings."

    Jacob Sullum is a senior editor at Reason magazine and a nationally syndicated columnist.
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    the said truth is as long as there are people that wish to do harm to others, you will never stop the violence. You could put everyone on a constant monitor and you would still have individuals who find away around this to do harm to others.
    what we can do as a population is to make sure we know how to leave any large gathering, make sure that there is real security where you go and most of all stay away from large crowds no matter what. The days of feeling totally safe in America or really any place in the world are gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCP View Post
    So I may be able to get her to join the NRA if I can give her a good answer

    I was asked this Question!

    I would like to ask you, being a law-abiding gun owner, what your ideas are to stop 550+ people from being gunned down in 9 minutes?

    All help is much appreciated.
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    Get another girl friend, that is a question which has no reasonable answer.

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    Answer, simply, you can not prevent it.

    Bad things happen to good people. It comes down to free will, in this case the will of the person/s pulling the trigger.

    Guns don't kill people, people kill people. If they don't have guns they use the next best thing.

    IMO this was PLANNED by the left, to kill and wound enough people in one event to give them a reason and an excuse to come after our guns.

    We have not heard it yet, or I have not. But I suspect the shooter had not much time left on this world. And they say he converted to Islam, and sent huge sums of money to the Philippines.

    Does that sound like an American steeped in gun culture? Not to me.
    Sounds to me like someone sold out for a reason, knowing he would go out with a bang.

    The truth will out, but you won't hear it on the fake news media.

    There is only one way to stop a bad man with a gun, that is a good man with a gun.

    Laws only work for those who obey them. You outlaw all guns and only the outlaws will have guns. Cause they don't care about the law. Look at the UK or Australia!

    If that system worked there would be no murders. The average person does not have a gun there. But their crime rates are going up not down.

    But don't take my word for it.

    Bad things are going to happen. Natural disasters, human made disasters.
    If you are trained, prepared, chance are you can survive.

    Huddling on the ground screaming "please don't hit me, please don't take my stuff" simply does not work.

    You have to stand up, take responsibility for yourself and your family. Including their defense. Then you get prepared, get trained, and you pray you never need it.

    Best answer I can give you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ickisrulz View Post





    As a rule I try to avoid large crowds and dangerous locations.
    This is the key. People have become self serving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crowbuster View Post
    Start with all these meds dr's put folks on that have worse side effects than the original problem. Blame big pharmaseuticals instead of guns. Look up Diazapam
    They gave us the opioid epidemic. And it sure seems like they're giving us the mass murderers. But drugs that effect your body chemistry effect everyone differently. So what works for me may not work for you. Should they not release the drugs that could potentially help millions, just a random figure, because it effects one person negatively? A cost benefit analysis will say no. The good far outweighs the bad. Now if a drug negatively effects a quarter of it's users then we have an issue that shouldn't be ignored.

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    It's very simple keep Democrats from owning guns!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StolzerandSons View Post
    Be honest and tell her that there is nothing that will stop a determined person from hurting or killing other people. The tool they use is irrelevant. For example the Berlin market attack 12-2016, 12 killed 48 injured with a truck, in a country with fairly restrictive gun laws. How many could a person with a truck kill driving into a crowd of 22,000 at a concert? I don't know the answer but I know a temporary chain link fence doesn't stop 60,000 pounds of rolling steel.
    Or said truck with a OKC type bomb in the back to boot. It could have actually been worse

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    Don't accept their premise!

    So what if there was a bumpfire stock?
    Would they be any less dead if he used a 98 Mauser?

    We are falling into the trap always used by the left of focusing on the gun and its technology and what-shall-we-ban-now
    to try and satisfy an emotional need at this time.

    When ISIS drives a truck into a crowd is there a debate about "did the truck have an automatic transmission?"
    and "how can we ban that". Make them use a manual transmission or go back to a horse and cart, they can't drive that into a crowd.

    Don't accept their premise!

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    Nra, not organized to prevent this sort of thing. Sorry, and prevent? Not a darn thing you can do. Or that the government can do. It is already illegal to murder. Didn't disuade him at all. And this sick individual would have done a McVey if guns weren't available. Or something worse. Evil exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCP View Post
    So I may be able to get her to join the NRA if I can give her a good answer

    I was asked this Question!

    I would like to ask you, being a law-abiding gun owner, what your ideas are to stop 550+ people from being gunned down in 9 minutes?

    All help is much appreciated.
    My first suggestion would be to do the same things that the Chicago City Government does to prevent the Gangland shootings that plague that city (2913 shot, 501 died so far this year) ..Oh I mean, I would do the opposite, because what they are doing isn't working.
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    Don't allow thousands of people to congregate. That's about it.

    How do we stop thousands of people, every year from dying from automobiles? Drunk driving kills more people every weekend and has for decades, yet I haven't seen any proposed legislation to eliminate alcohol or automobiles to prevent such senseless tragedies.

    They guy had money and wanted to cause harm. Just think how many would have died if he bought a Cessna and plowed into a crowd of 22,000? Been a lot more damage done in a shorter time frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NyFirefighter357 View Post
    It's very simple keep Democrats from owning guns!
    Winner!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Stop letting stupid people breed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crowbuster View Post
    Start with all these meds dr's put folks on that have worse side effects than the original problem. Blame big pharmaseuticals instead of guns. Look up Diazapam
    No, blame those that want these drugs to mainstream the mentally ill and not "stigmatize them". The pharmaceutical companies are responding to a need like any company and clearly point out the side effects of their drugs. If people refuse to listen then that is their fault
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoAngel View Post
    Stop letting stupid people breed.
    Alright Margarete Sanger, calm down..
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    Explain that you don't need guns to kill people. The tobacco industry has known that for a long time.
    He/she/it could have done more damage with IED's or driving a large truck through the crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Life View Post
    Ban all guns, then have military, LEO, and Gubmint agencies go house to house across the nation to search for stashes and confiscate.

    Have military, LEO, etc cordon, search, and secure all venues 48 hours in advance.

    Use tanks and A10 Warthogs as needed.

    On a serious note, you can't stop it without seriously restricting freedom.

    Bad people do bad things.


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    I wonder how many takers they'd really have there without calling in the UN or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2wheelDuke View Post
    I wonder how many takers they'd really have there without calling in the UN or something.
    Probably less than 40%.


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