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    New rifling for Smith revolvers

    I noticed the rifling on my new model 57 smith 41 mag looked a lot sharper to me than some of my older ecm rifled smith. I was curious and called Smith and a tech told me they were using another process that was more like the old broaching method. I know some had had more leading with ecm rifling so maybe this is better? My new 41 mag does not seem to lead bad. I had some with Lyman 410459 220 at about 1150fps but my bullets were too soft at 8 bhn. Anyway, I thought that was interesting and the rifling does look better to me. He said they started with the process about a year ago.

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    Marlin went back to Ballard rifling and now S&W is going retro too. Probably for the best.
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    Good report

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    And even Glock going back to a more traditional rifling? What's the world coming to!

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    But but its a NEW improved process ! Yeah, I am glad to see they are still paying attention. I see so much " accuracy testing" at 7 yards I'm sometimes concerned they may just quit bothering to rifle them at all !
    Now that M69 is looking better and better!
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    Accuracy testing at 7 yards is probably the 3rd or 4th worst offense to be committed upon the shooting world...ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minuteshaver View Post
    actually accuracy testing 1400 dollar "combat target" 1911s at 10 yards and claiming great accuracy if they stay inside a 8 inch circle and screaming bloody murder when they accuracy test a charter arms or Taurus or rossi handgun at 25 yards and it stays inside 3 inches and call that SUB STANDARD is a higher crime
    That's why I listed it as the 3rd or 4th worse thing, lol.

    It cracks me up when a $4,000 Wilson is given a thorough wringing out at 7-10 yards because defense shootings happen close all the time dontcha know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Life View Post
    That's why I listed it as the 3rd or 4th worse thing, lol.

    It cracks me up when a $4,000 Wilson is given a thorough wringing out at 7-10 yards because defense shootings happen close all the time dontcha know.

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    I should think that a pistol that can hold 2" at 50 yards should suffice accuracy-wise at bad-breath distances. But I am not as highly-evolved as some of the gunrag scribblers seem to be.
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    Do you do forward shoulder rolls into the kitchen inorder to make yourself a hard target?

    If not, then all of your real life experiences are moot. Only those experiences dreamed up by the internet gun writer/mouth breather are valid anymore. What use is a "Target" gun that holds 2 inches at 50 yards? It'll probably jam if I dip it in mud, freeze it, and then encase the magazine well in concrete.


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    Don't start me up, Dick. It won't be pretty.

    16 x 180 grain JHPs from the Glock 20 makes someone a pretty hard target, too. I do like this pistol, and have always loved the caliber. I am way too BLANKing old to be doing shoulder rolls and other combat choreography like some of the cammy-jammy-cadre engage in. I'll find cover, or create it with bullets--which is the whole rationale for the high-volume magazine in the first place.
    I don't paint bullets. I like Black Rifle Coffee. Sacred cows are always fair game. California is to the United States what Syria is to Russia and North Korea is to China/South Korea/Japan--a Hermit Kingdom detached from the real world and led by delusional maniacs, an economic and social basket case sustained by "foreign" aid so as to not lose military bases.

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    I figured that would get you going, lol.


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    Come on Al.....I know you didn't let it all out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bzcraig View Post
    Come on Al.....I know you didn't let it all out!
    I am on thin-enough ice here as it is. Truth in small and infrequent dosage units is good policy in some quarters.

    It is good to read that S&W seems to be returning to more traditional rifling forms. Their decades-old 5-groove aberration is weird enough all on its own without adding even more poetry to the mix.
    I don't paint bullets. I like Black Rifle Coffee. Sacred cows are always fair game. California is to the United States what Syria is to Russia and North Korea is to China/South Korea/Japan--a Hermit Kingdom detached from the real world and led by delusional maniacs, an economic and social basket case sustained by "foreign" aid so as to not lose military bases.

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    Hmmm . . . I'm guessing that maybe I might be able to consider a new Smith instead of having to look for nice vintage ones that had real rifling in 'em!?

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    Look at them first because there is a lot of the rounded type out there. I looked at a new 629 yesterday and the rifling looked sharp to me. I do not know if it is as sharp as broached but I cannot tell the difference . Compared to a 686 they had in the shop and it had the more rounded look. I will say I have several the the rounded rifling and the seem ro shoot well. I grouped my 625 mt gun today with the rounded rifling and got 25 yard groups of about 2 inches when I did my part with 285 grain rcbs saa swc. I do like the sharper rifling better. I have now idea what the process is . They may have modified ecm? I would be surprised if they punted all that technology

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    If we're going to test accuracy at 7-10 yds why not just dispense with the rifling, might get some extra velocity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fecmech View Post
    If we're going to test accuracy at 7-10 yds why not just dispense with the rifling, might get some extra velocity.
    OK--this cracked me up.
    I don't paint bullets. I like Black Rifle Coffee. Sacred cows are always fair game. California is to the United States what Syria is to Russia and North Korea is to China/South Korea/Japan--a Hermit Kingdom detached from the real world and led by delusional maniacs, an economic and social basket case sustained by "foreign" aid so as to not lose military bases.

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    Da boyz in da hood need da rifling cuz ya no dey don't get da practice like dey should do.

    The Toronto Police just released video of a contract killing in the hopes someone might recognize the academic wonders who were doing the shooting. The Glocks do a number on the body when shot through plate glass doors although it seemed two and a half mags at five yards might have been a bit excessive even without 10 round limits. Maybe Glock changed their polygonal rifling for what they call hexagonal to improve the accuracy of their boom sticks.

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    Here is the video. Could be a Glock ad.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJYMng7lpFg
    Its been months since I bought the book, "How to scam people online". It still has not arrived yet!

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