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    Needing help 458X2 in BB94 Winchester

    I had a strange request from a long time friend,and thats info on a BB94 458X2 Loading Data ? Boolet weights etc.....
    Has any of you Guys Shot something like this !!! It must be close to a 45-60??? or so Thanks

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    I built one years ago in a number 1 Ruger. I will see if I can find the data but it is very simular to the 450 Marlin.

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    A good friend had one in a bolt gun. It uses belted cases, 350 REM mag mostly. Surprised it would fit in a BB94. I can see if he has data after selling the rifle, but I would be careful of the case dia vs design spec in the 94.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramjet-SS View Post
    I built one years ago in a number 1 Ruger. I will see if I can find the data but it is very simular to the 450 Marlin.
    Oh.........Ok Thats kinda nice ...The Info for the Marlin 450 will be easy to come up with !! I'm not a heavy loader ...LoL Thanks for the come back Ramjet-SS

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    I just looked at the loads at reloaders nest. Some of those loads would maybe be a might more than I would run through a BB94.
    A couple of those 50+ grains of 4198 with 400 grainers are getting into loads that an 1886 frame will shudder under.
    The new 86 frames will tolerate more... but a BB94 ??? We shoot a 50 Alaskan and 55 grains of 4198 is topping out the stress factor on our 86 (jap) frame.
    I would not consider going much past those 450 Marlin loads. The 336 is a strong lever action... Is the BB94 equal ?
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    Before they were discontinued, Winchester made the 94 AE bb in .450 Marlin. "Timber Carbine" or some such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missionary5155 View Post
    Good morning
    I just looked at the loads at reloaders nest. Some of those loads would maybe be a might more than I would run through a BB94.
    A couple of those 50+ grains of 4198 with 400 grainers are getting into loads that an 1886 frame will shudder under.
    The new 86 frames will tolerate more... but a BB94 ??? We shoot a 50 Alaskan and 55 grains of 4198 is topping out the stress factor on our 86 (jap) frame.
    I would not consider going much past those 450 Marlin loads. The 336 is a strong lever action... Is the BB94 equal ?
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    I have a Winchester AE model 94 in 450 Marlin. I do not even load that to max Cartridges of the world has a page or so dedicated to the 458x2" American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramjet-SS View Post
    I have a Winchester AE model 94 in 450 Marlin. I do not even load that to max Cartridges of the world has a page or so dedicated to the 458x2" American.
    Ramjet........do you shoot any cast in your AE? Ol Deuce
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    I have a GC 350 grain WFN from an accurate mould. I loaded it over 32.0 grains of AA5744 CCI large rifle primers. Average velocity for a 10 shot string was 1528 FPS.

    I also loaded a 460 Grain WFN GC that bullet has to be seated really deep to function. I used Unique for that bullet.

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    So here is some data that comes from Cartridges of the World by Frank Barnes For the 458 x2" American

    Cast bullet Load data
    250 grain 28.0 grains of 4198 1828 FPS
    300 grain 25.0 grains of 4198 1370 FPS
    405 grain 45.0 grains of 3031 1535 FPS

    Jacketed
    300 Grain Hornady over 40.0 grains of 4198. 1825 FPS velocity.


    I see that they played with a 458 X 1 1/2 as well.
    Last edited by Ramjet-SS; 09-17-2017 at 08:48 AM.

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