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Thread: Smokeless sight for '94 .32 Winchester Special

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    Smokeless sight for '94 .32 Winchester Special

    Good after noon guys.

    My first post here. It looks like a wealth of knowledge in these threads. I have had a 32 Win. Spl. for many years now and want to try it with black powder. The molds I use are a Winchester 32-40-165 and an RCBS 170gr gas check. The rifle originally had the base for a smokeless sight set in place however the centre semi buckhorn leaf was missing.

    Now after all that, I need some help locating a complete smokeless sight. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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    Unfortunately I have no idea what you mean by a "smokeless sight". Sights are sights - semi buckhorn or other but the same for smokeless loads or BP loads. Please be a little more specific about what you are wanting. A complete semi-buckhorn sight? Or a completely different style of sight?
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    Bob, I'm going to take a guess and my guess is that what you are describing as a smokeless sight is a receiver sight or aperture sight which mounts on the receiver - commonly called a peep sight over here. The other less common sight is the tang mounted peep sight which I've never used. I do have a Williams peep sight mounted on my son's M94 and these can be found on E-Bay and are pretty common. If you have the base for the sight and know which brand it is, you could shop for the slide portion of the sight only and save some money. If you want to go with a new sight then Williams and Lyman are the commonly known producers and can be found on line at Midway, Midsouth and Brownells. Hope this helps.
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    Can you post a few photo's of the "base". It's probably a receiver "peep" sight and might be easy to replace the missing part.
    When I mounted a receiver sight on my model 94 I had to remove the barrel mounted buck horn sight , it gets in the way when using the peep. If not mistaken the 30-30 and 32 special were the first "smokeless " rounds developed by Winchester, I don't think they were ever commonly loaded with black powder from the factory...but the 32 could have been....never say never.
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    Here ya go....Click image for larger version. 

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    Not mine. Just a pic off the web.

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    Model 94 Rear Sight

    I haven't seen one of those in years. You might try E-bay for one.

    32 Specials are pretty popular here on the Lever Action subsection of the site. If you need load suggestions or just conversation on the good 32 Special, then that is a good place to go.

    I use a Lyman Model 66 aperture rear sight on my 32 Special with very good results.

    Here is a rear sight that will work on your Winchester (needs an elevator ramp) without any modification to your rifle.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Winchester-M...0AAOSwRH9ZcNgU

    By the way, welcome to the forum.
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    yes that is the smokeless sight that I wrote about in another post. they are rare I have a rifle with one. it is only the third rifle I have ever seen with one and they all had round barrels.

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    I have never seen one ...learned something new today. They had smokeless and black powder sights for the 32 Special. Did each rifle come with both sights or just one ?
    My 94 30-30 just came with one barrel mounted sight but was drilled and tapped for a receiver sight.
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    Thanks for the pic Devon, looks like it put everybody in the picture. I haven’t learnt how to post photos yet. I should have put you in the whole picture.

    The rifle was made in 1910, has a 26” barrel is a take-down and as I said, came with the base of the smokeless rear sight. It had a Lyman tang mounted peep sight and I have been using that all these years. I bought in about 1980 from a bloke who used it to shoot feral brumbies and camels in the Northern Territory.

    For some reason the wood is perfect wear wise but the frame has a couple of areas with deep pitting along with the lever and tip of the trigger. It is my preferred hunting rifle with a new 32 special normally coming along as a backup. I call it new because it was made in 1976.

    Now days its limited to hunting fallow deer and hogs/pigs, nothing as big as what my old mate from the NT was shooting.

    My 30 WCF, as I prefer to call the cartridge, hasn’t seen the light of day for many years.

    I read somewhere that the smokeless sight came with each 32 Win Spl up until somewhere shortly after 1914. I could be corrected there but not by much I don’t think. I tried to buy the only two smokeless sights I have ever seen on ebay (on different occasions). But after contact with the sellers, as they listed them as ‘may not ship to Australia’ they informed they only sold to the states.

    Never mind I will keep looking, it’s not as if I haven’t been looking for a long time already, there is one out there somewhere for this rifle.

    Well sorry about the long winded reply gents but that’s my story on my favorite rifle.

    Well thanks to Scharfschuetze, my next stop is the Lever Action subsection and have a look at what they have to say on the 32 Win Spl.

    Thanks again for the info guys.

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