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    My take on global warming as it can be caused by mankind..............

    On a very limited, very localized basis, man can cause environmental warming. A few examples...........

    1. Take a 1000 acre tract of forest and clear it to the bare dirt. It will be warmer there because the sun can reach the ground.
    2. Any inner city will be warmer because of all the concrete and steel absorbing and reflecting the heat of the sun. If you could magically snap your fingers and make all of that manmade construction disappear, no doubt it would cool down at that location.
    3. Any site of a huge parking lot will be notably warmer than the same location was before said parking lot was built.
    4. Temperatures along a busy interstate highway may be warmer because of the concrete and the heat generated by the passing vehicles.

    All of these examples are very localized and are caused by man. The key is the word "localized". As far as globally......it's a drop in the bucket.

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    Yes. A drop in a bucket, with a hole in both ends. In other words, a non-contained environment, open to all influences, but non the less localized.
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    When I consider man's activities since the beginning of the industrial age, and when I consider the size of the world's population, and when I consider that the rest of world(besides us)makes no effort to control pollution, then I think that the probability is high that man's activities over time will affect climate. I'm not informed enough to speculate further by giving details.

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    When compared to natures polutions such as volcanoes and wildfires, mans contribution is totally insignificant.
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    Mold Maker, that's a great insight that most folks forget. We seem, as a people, to be conditioned to think of things on the basis of what the "pop culture" and media give us, rather than doing our OWN thinking, really. And in so doing, we only wind up having the "sensational" stories to use in making up our minds and opinions. This is really unfortunate, when we have SO incredible much knowledge and data with which to contend, if only we'll just look a little deeper into these type propositions.

    "Pop culture" and the sensational media have "dumbed us down" so very, very much, that it's a wonder we're still a "successful culture" at all, I sometimes think! We tend strongly to think as we WANT to think, and we've nearly abandoned totally the real process of accumulating data and facts BEFORE forming our opinions. And that can and will be the downfall of any culture that attaches itself to such wistful and wishful types of thinking.

    The passage of time clouds our memories, but even so, we DO remember the BIG things from our youth. What I saw as a kid, growing up, was a people who gathered all available facts BEFORE forming an opinion or taking an action. This is NOT just my imagination or "selective memory." I grew up in a largely farming community, and farmers are (or at least tended to be then) a very hard-nosed people when it came to making decisions that could litarally make or break them! And the world around them HAD to conform to their rationality, or they'd make it do so.

    But today, there is MUCH wistful and wishful "thinking" masquerading as "rationality." Many make millions off of leading us astray, and they also gain power and control. And all because we don't really THINK any more, but just "hold opinions," and those opinions are basically totally shaped by ONLY the facts that those who wish to control us WANT us to have! This isn't leading us anywhere good! It simply CANNOT! But .... away we go, and I see no real end to the machinations and trickery of those who'd control us, and dominate and use us like literal slaves, in the end. I will likely not see those days, and I'm glad I won't. I'm also ashamed I haven't done more to slow or stem the tide of this seemingly unstoppable process. God forgive me. I am truly sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mold maker View Post
    When compared to natures polutions such as volcanoes and wildfires, mans contribution is totally insignificant.
    Yes sir! The climate is always changing here in my part of the woods year after year but that doesn't mean I should be taxed any more for it.
    And I surely am not going to believe any story the govt owned main stream news media is going to spin to limit my rights or control my activities now or later. (can you say hoax?)

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    The Global Warming/Cooling/Static and were gonna die Alarmist have a new Scientific Report to worry about:

    https://www.investors.com/politics/e...itrogen-rocks/

    Basically the author is stating that the amount of Nitrogen contained in the earths crust/soil has not been accounted for associated with Plant Conversion of CO2. Of course, from my perspective since there is 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide in the atmosphere; there probably is NO PROBLEMO in plants finding a source of Nitrogen for conversion process of C02. Plants have been extracting Nitrogen from the soil for a few Million or more years (Depending on when Natures Creator actually initiated things).
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    I'll bet God isn't surprised by anything that happens. Why do some of us try to take credit for what happens naturally? After all, it only took him 6 days to create and only a day to observe and approve of it with time left to rest..........
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    I believe, and strongly so, that "climate change" is nothing more than a hoax intended to enable those who'd lord over all of us, to gain yet more power and influence and control over us. The planet's climate has always changed, and gone through cycles. I learned that way back in the very early 60's and late 50's! But as Goebels said, "Repeat something loudly enough and often enough, and no matter how implausible it may be, people will come to accept it as truth." I think that's what's going on here. And if any people have been more susceptible than "modern man" to accepting things without doing our own thinking and research first, I have no clue who those folks might have been, or when in history they might have lived.

    God gave us a mind and a set of emotions. Physically, our emotions are centered in the brain stem, or "old brain." That is surrounded and nearly encapsulated by MUCH thicker layers of gray matter that are directed at helping us THINK. Even the brain's physical structure seems to be telling us we're intended to use our thought processes MUCH more than our emotions, but many in our world today, can't or won't or don't differentiate between the two processes. Real, legitimate, rational thinking seems to be going the way of the dodo bird. And that CANNOT lead us to anywhere good! But it seems the direction we're headed in nevertheless. God help us! We've been given such a wondrous brain. It's such a shame we don't use it more!

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    Here's a book worth reading. https://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Earth-...t&pageNumber=1
    The Goreites go crazy because only one of theirs knows everything and this guy is just a geologist. He debunks all the arguments including the CO2 buildup. Goes through in detail and easy to read. Even uses facts, odd for the goreites.

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    I believe that climate is cyclical, grapes used to grow where they are not productive now or vice versa. And this was previous to massive use of fossil fuels. By the way, scientists allege that these fossil fuels were created by the deposition of massive amounts of vegetable matter......
    Additionally, the effect of natural events, a volcanic eruption for example, makes everything humans contribute pale in comparison.
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    I have no doubt the globe is warming - has been since long before the industrial revolution. Heck, they used to have fairs and festivals on the Thames river in the middle ages. I just do not think you can pin it on mankind or CO2 levels. CO2 TRAILS increased temperatures, it does not PRECEDE it. Does mankind at times prove to be a poor steward of the earth? I say yes, but rising temperatures is not something that you can pin on humans.

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    Climate has changed over time for millenea, all do to "natural causes." So climate change is indeed VERY real! The "little ice age" of the medieval period, which probably delayed man's progress for a couple of centuries at least, is but one example.

    Anyone of faith knows intuitively that this world was never meant to last forever. Would that it were so! What's new, at least in the media, is to think that the acts of mankind CAN affect world weather substantially. This seems to be much more an article of POLITICAL faith, than it is of Christian faith. Sometimes it's hard to separate the two, but it's almost always worth it to do it, however appealing it may be to mix the two. If anyone here is "sinless" in this, please stand up and be recognized, for I believe we've "all sinned and fallen short of the glory of the Lord," not only in this, but in all other meaningful considerations. Erring seems to be what we do best ..... and most often! I know that's the story of MY life, at least.

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    A subject I find fascinating. You may think I am a liberal at the end of this post but you'd be very wrong. I just don't happen to walk lock-step with every word a political party or a President utters. I thought Global Warming was a complete hoax for decades. Recently I've tried to educate myself more but I am no scientist.

    Some things I am now very convinced of...

    -It's undeniable the average global temp is increasing. It is much more extreme in certain locales. (Alaska would be an example I have personally witnessed over the years). It's not just a degree or two. Iowa where I live not such a big deal so far.
    -CO2 levels play a role, just like it did during previous warm cycles long ago. It seems clear the Industrial revolution is aggravating it. The data charts are too convenient to completely deny it matters. I concede it could be a coincidence but it looks more than a little suspicious.
    -Just because you got a cold streak and snow in Alabama is not data. I cringe when people say that proves something. All it proves is they are ignorant of the term "average global temp"

    What I am not so sure of..........

    -Even if man is a significant factor can we actually do anything meaningful to stop it? World population is not standing still and manufacturing is not going to slow down.
    -Carbon credits and all that political foolishness? Don't see how that fixes anything ever. The entire world has to cooperate and they won't until doom is imminent.
    -Grand conspiracy where most all the world's scientists somehow cooperate? The world cooperating on anything so complex is laughable IMO.

    I've said my piece.
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    Climate changes. Anthropogenic greenhouse gasses seem to have some role in it.

    But, the exploitation of climate change by Ctrl-Left anti-capitalists as a vehicle for increasing government control over the lives of individuals and asserting some imagined collectivist rights over individual rights is a serious danger to the American system and our way of life. Given the power to "address climate change", the Ctrl-Left won't just kill jobs and raise energy prices, the achieve the goals that they claim are necessary to achieve the chimeric goal of "climate stabilization", they would have government determine who can and cannot own a car, what size house you may have, how far and how often you may travel per year, how much meat you may consume, and whether/how many children you may have. Make no mistake, climate change is being exploited by the totalitarian left as a means for achieving their aim of controlling society and individual belief and behavior.

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    If CO2 is so bad why then didn't the world warm up and cause all kind of problems in the 1800's when we were burning all that coal. In London you couldn't see the light of day at noon! I find it interesting that most of the "scientists" pontificating about Global Warming are all economists. I don't consider that discipline "science". I'm a retired Forester and Wildlife Biologist, two disciplines that are considered "science". I worked for over 30 years in those fields and I don't believe we are the cause of the warming. We may contribute but I can't quantify that either. All they want to do is tax us, not the countries that are causing all the pollution today. We have cleaned up our environment. It's also funny that all the "environmental groups" insist we stop cutting our forests. We cut our forests in a responsible manner under sustained yield principals. If you want "clean water" and "clean air" you want vigorous growing young forests, not old growth, which pretty much stays in steady state. Jim

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    I'm reminded of the chart Al gore used in his movie. The one that showed how much more CO2 was in the atmosphere compared to all other gas. Most people don't know that he only used part of the chart. The majority of greenhouse gas is water vapor, by a large factor. All the computer models predicting massive changes in temperature don't take this factor into consideration, mainly because no one has figured out what water vapor does in the atmosphere. Something to ponder. Jim

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    The Earth is not static, it is a series of cycles that repeat. Some short duration, some long, some in the middle.

    You can NOT trust what the government is putting out. They are cooking the books trying to make a failed point.

    For every place that has increased temps you have one with decreased.

    The ocean's are heating, but volcanism is on the rise. So of course the ocean's are warming.

    Some say the antartic is melting, other say Artic is going the other way.

    Who do you trust?

    We know we have had ice ages in the past. Funny thing is they all seemed to happen after a warming trend.

    So I'm more concerned about the coming ice age than the heat.

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    it's definitely happening.and when both ice caps will cease to send icebergs on the iceberg ''highway'',it's gonna gets hot,very,very hot nearly all year round.people underestimate the rise in temps, but it's really noticeable already,and it's only the begining.

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