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    Quote Originally Posted by DCP View Post
    Yes everywhere is not pro 2nd amendment.
    Conceal carry means also it doesn't print. Once I was at a Pizza and Chicken joint. A young family was there, Dad was most likely carry a full-size pistol. I could see it from across the room printing through his shirt.

    I have a Sig 938, fine pistol it is, but unless you're wearing some sort of cargo pants it just too heavy for my taste.

    A buddy of mine takes his NAA pug 22 mag to schools, hospitals and any no gun zone. The only place he won't go unarmed is a court house. He just hates those metal detectors.
    Depends upon where you are with respect to concealed meaning it doesn't print.

    There "legally" concealed, "practically" concealed, and "truly" concealed.

    In many states, "legally" concealed just means that it is not directly visible, but it could still print.

    For "practically" concealed, it would mean that most people that were not familiar with concealed carry would not know that you are carrying. I would include black leather fanny packs and the photographer / tactical / utility vests in this category. Most people will not know you are carrying, but for anyone familiar with concealed carry, it's an obvious sign that you are carrying.

    For "truly" concealed, it would mean that you could be standing right beside one of those anti-2nd-Amendment NYC LEOs and be carrying on a conversation and he would not suspect that you were carrying. It would mean that you could walk across the US/Mexico border and go through Mexican customs and they would not suspect that you were carrying. It would mean that you could go on a military base and not draw any undue attention to yourself. It also might mean carrying in places where local law claims that you are not allowed to carry (e.g. bars, post offices, etc). It does not mean that you will not be noticed in metal detector or x-ray check though. For many people, if you want to carry at work, you need to be "truly" concealed since company policy might very not support your 2nd Amendment rights.

    I've lived and visited a lot of different places around the US and the world over the years and I've had occasion to utilize all of these levels of concealment at one time or another.

    Of course, because of the difference in customs of dress around the country / world, it's entirely possible that a manner of carry in one area would be classified as "practically" concealed whereas in another area it would be classified as either "truly" concealed or at least close to it. For example, in certain areas of the US, a fanny bag (not the black leather type) is pretty common. I noticed this in northern California a few years back. As such, carrying a gun in a sport type fanny pack there would draw less attention than if you did it in Texas where anyone that knows about guns just assumes that you have a gun in a fanny pack. In Korea, all the old guys wear these baggy vests, so people would not automatically assume that you were carrying if you were wearing one of them there vs if you were wearing the same thing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artful View Post
    Mini Revolver 22 short?
    Where I used to work, a guy came into work one morning with gauze up his nose and a Band-Aid across his nose.
    I asked him about it and he said some punk tried to rob him and shot him in the face with a 22 short mini revolver.
    He said that he beat the punk nearly to death and pocketed the gun when he left.
    He said when he got to the hospital, he blew his nose and the bullet came out, so, he figured the wound wasn't too bad, so he went home and stopped the bleeding and went to bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hickory View Post
    Where I used to work, a guy came into work one morning with gauze up his nose and a Band-Aid across his nose.
    I asked him about it and he said some punk tried to rob him and shot him in the face with a 22 short mini revolver.
    He said that he beat the punk nearly to death and pocketed the gun when he left.
    He said when he got to the hospital, he blew his nose and the bullet came out, so, he figured the wound wasn't too bad, so he went home and stopped the bleeding and went to bed.
    Interesting - had a friend show up at my place with one - same time the neighbors chickens showed up at my place - I was going to excuse myself and go in the house and get a 22 pistol and Alan said he had one and whipped it out and shot a chicken - it squawked and jumped but didn't fall over or run home but you could see dirt kick up the other side of the chicken on the next shot so I assumed it shot clean thru but I may be mistaken in that choice.
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    I pocket carry either a S&W model 60. .38spl 5 shot, or a Kel-Tec PF9. 9 mm 7 shot.

    When I belt carry (concealed) it is usually a S&W model 69. 2.75" barrel with .44 spl loads.
    Texas has concealed or open carry so I don't worry about it printing. And with a "pancake" holster and a good belt it rarely prints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hickory View Post
    Where I used to work, a guy came into work one morning with gauze up his nose and a Band-Aid across his nose.
    I asked him about it and he said some punk tried to rob him and shot him in the face with a 22 short mini revolver.
    He said that he beat the punk nearly to death and pocketed the gun when he left.
    He said when he got to the hospital, he blew his nose and the bullet came out, so, he figured the wound wasn't too bad, so he went home and stopped the bleeding and went to bed.
    I'm calling shenanigans on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aarolar View Post
    I'm calling shenanigans on that one.
    Don't shoot the messenger.
    I'm only telling you what he told me. And he showed me the bullet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hickory View Post
    Don't shoot the messenger.
    I'm only telling you what he told me. And he showed me the bullet.
    Ain't shooting nobody just an observation.

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    Sounds completely believeable to me
    A .22 short out of a NAA mini would have little energy

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmort View Post
    Sounds completely believeable to me
    A .22 short out of a NAA mini would have little energy
    I completely believe he could get shot with a 22 short and be fine it's the part about blowing it out his nose that sounds fishy to me. I had a Astra Cub in high school and the 22 shorts would only go through one side of a cardboard Tide box at 10 steps. My gun dealers friend was shot twice in the arm and once in the face with a 380 during a mugging attempt and was still able to draw his 45 and make an attempt but couldn't aim for all the blood in his eyes but still scared the mugger off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artful View Post
    Interesting - had a friend show up at my place with one - same time the neighbors chickens showed up at my place - I was going to excuse myself and go in the house and get a 22 pistol and Alan said he had one and whipped it out and shot a chicken - it squawked and jumped but didn't fall over or run home but you could see dirt kick up the other side of the chicken on the next shot so I assumed it shot clean thru but I may be mistaken in that choice.
    So your friend shot a neighbors livestock???

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