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Thread: REMINGTON 1858 New Army, 44 cal help.

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    REMINGTON 1858 New Army, 44 cal help.

    Hi guys, I just acquired a Remington 1858 44 cal. Pistol.
    Can you help me what year she was manufactured?
    Serial is 83, 434 is on the frame.
    Thanks for your Help!


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    If you shoot it please post pics.
    You'll go far providin' you ain't burnt alive or scalped."

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    Colt 1860, it just feels right.

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    I know they made about an eighth of a million during the Civil War, and that number seems a bit high for what I can imagine prewar manufacture being. So unless someone comes along with definite records, I should think it would be early to mid-war period.

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    the1858 is the paten date. yours is a 1863 model because it has the safety notches between the nipples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle333 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob208 View Post
    the1858 is the paten date. yours is a 1863 model because it has the safety notches between the nipples.
    Ah! That helps! I do see the notches now.
    Safety Notches!
    Thank you!

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    I'll bet that old roller has some great stories to tell.

    I have a few such arms in my safe. A BSA 1918 Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III, and a rifle and revolver that were part of local history in 1909. Sublime, and I shoot them all.
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    yes safety notches. you loaded all six and lowered the hammer nose into one of the notches. that way the cylinder could not turn. colt had a similar system with pins between the nipples and a notch in the hammer nose. the Remington was a much more reliable system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9.3X62AL View Post
    I'll bet that old roller has some great stories to tell.

    I have a few such arms in my safe. A BSA 1918 Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III, and a rifle and revolver that were part of local history in 1909. Sublime, and I shoot them all.
    Yea, it would be great to hear some!

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    Anyone know what this cartouche on the pistol grip is?

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    army inspector stamp. Dixie gun works had a list of the u.s. inspectors in the back of their catalog.

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    Nice find!

    If you can make out the initials, this link should help you on the inspector . . . .

    http://proofhouse.com/cm/us_inspector.htm

    As noted - 1863 model. When Remington came out with the NMA in 1863, they really gave Colt a run for their money. Colt was charging the government $25.00 per unit for 1860 Colt Army model. Remington undercut them with this model and sold it to the government for $12.50 per unit.

    Or are the cylinder chambers and bore?

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    Chambers are GREAT! nipples look GREAT! Bore shines.
    Looking to test fire soon.
    Not sure if I need .451 or .454
    Bullets.

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    I would try .457 and let the cylinder shave off some lead.
    You'll go far providin' you ain't burnt alive or scalped."

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    Awesome gun.
    I'd love to get a conversion cylinder for my Pietta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumbcocker View Post
    I would try .457 and let the cylinder shave off some lead.
    I finally got to slug the barrel, i measure, .455-.456

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    Last edited by Terryrm1-03; 09-02-2017 at 09:20 PM.

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    I also got word from the Remington Society forum, this pistol was shipped in July 1864 to Army Ordnance.
    She is a Civil War pistol!

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    Well they aren't the prettiest! But BOY she was fun to shoot!
    Talk about take you back in time.
    This was with 20grs 777.
    230 grs. 454 conical.
    Fighting caps falling off, offhand, still made my evening!
    Each black line indicates a shot.

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    Awesome!
    You'll go far providin' you ain't burnt alive or scalped."

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