Federal Red Paper 12ga. Hulls: Clays or Unique OK?

[Maven]

I found a small no. of Federal red paper (8 pt. crimp) hulls the other day at the range and would like to reload them with target loads just to see if it's possible. The only 2 shotgun powders I have are Clays (original) and Unique + Win. #209 primers. I also have quite a few Lage UniWads. some Rem. 1 oz. wads, and orange Claybuster 1 - 1 1/8 oz. wads. Both the Lage & Claybusters fit the paper hulls nicely; i.e., they're a slip fit. For 1 oz. or more likely, 1 1/8oz. #7 1/2 shot, what would a safe target load of Clays be? Unique?

Thanks in advance,

Paul

[MT Chambers]

Time to regroup and find data for the Fed. papers, it's everywhere as they are still made and used esp. by serious trap shooters, they have more capacity than most plastics and require dif. components and charges. Factory loads used to use the Fed. 12 C1, a 2 pc. wad, and not the 12S3, this may have changed but you have to be careful as wrong components can result in very inconsistent ignition, and all that goes with it.

[skeettx]

Go here
http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/shotgun
Select 12 gauge
Select Federal Paper
Select "Get Data"
Three sections will come up
First will be 7/8 ounce
Below it and you will have to click the + will be 1 ounce
and under it 1 1/8 ounce.
Decide on what you want to do
Mike

[Gewehr-Guy]

I have several bags of the LAGE - UNIWADS and I think they had load data printed on the back with R-Dot, 700X and probably Unique. If you want me to look send me a PM and I will try to find them, packed away somewhere in the loading shed!

[MOA]

Federal Paper hulls were the first shells I ever reloaded. The guy in charge of the trap and skeet club started me out on the Federal (champion) Paper hull, some WAA12 white wads, red dot powder with about 18 grains and 1-1/8 oz of reclaimed shot. I can look up the load data from some old Hercules powder books I have if you want the specifics, just PM me. Here I am loading some of these hulls with some Green Dot for some nice field loads.

[Maven]

Thanks to all as I now have more than enough loading data. And a big thank you to skeet for recommending this site: http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/shotgun as it is well worth studying!

[jimb16]

I use Unique and WAA12 wads.

[MOA]

Thanks to all as I now have more than enough loading data. And a big thank you to skeet for recommending this site: http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/shotgun as it is well worth studying!

Maven, be sure you visit this site also, http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders
for loads with red, green dot, herco, blue dot and other powders from the Alliant Powder Company.

[Maven]

Thanks for that link, MOA!

[MOA]

Anytime Maven. I have original Hercules load books going back to 1980.
Here is the Unique load data:

Page 11.

3 Dram load
Federal paper target shells
1-1/8 oz. Lead
Fed 209A
WWAA12 (white) Wad
21 grains of Unique

If a CCI 109 primer is used instead of the Federal, powder is 22 grains.

(THE CURRENT LOAD DATA FROM ALLIANT DOES NOT SHOW ANY LOAD DATA USING A CCI PRIMER AT ALL NOW)

I'm not sure if CCI still makes the 109 anymore. The old book data and the new Alliant data shows both the old Federal primer 209, and the new Federal primer 209A are interchangable with this specific load.

[Maven]

MOA, All I have is Win. 209 primers and different wads than most manuals list. In view of that, I don't think I'd use more than 20.5gr. Unique. Thanks again for your help, MOA as I greatly appreciate it!l