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    Quote Originally Posted by rmcc View Post
    Sad part is that there are enough problems right here on this site that clearly shows there is a Q/C problem at Marlin!
    Head on over to the Marlin Owners forum if you want a more complete picture. And then head over to one of the Ruger forums. You will see that QC is lacking from most of the large companies.

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    I won't get into my recent problems with Remington in this thread as I've already posted in the missing rifling thread but I'm DONE buying anything Remington. Friends and I have been jerked around by them enough for a good long time. Gp

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    Complete mystery why ANYBODY buys a new gun when there are soooo many proven fine used ones around.

    So go buy a junk 700 30-06 for a fortune.

    I bought this for $525 ! (Yes Virginia, it's a no salt Browning FN Safari in 30-06!)

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    They don't go off by themselves as so many 700s did !
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    ^^^ good point

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    I can't buy every gun I want if i was limited to old ones. No one made a 327 Federal lever action in the past. And CZ has a habit of putting out variants of their pistols that I "have to buy". Not every manufacturer is putting out garbage these days.

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    I shifted from Marlin to Henry. Are the perfect, nope. Do they have a stellar customer service, Yep. I like my Lever guns.
    Still own a butt load of Marlins but the last 2 new ones were Henry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyFlatline View Post
    I shifted from Marlin to Henry. Are the perfect, nope. Do they have a stellar customer service, Yep. I like my Lever guns.
    Still own a butt load of Marlins but the last 2 new ones were Henry.
    Ive just purchased one of each in the last month.
    I've had a Henry Big Boy steel in .327fed/mag on order since January.
    It came in about a week and a half ago.
    I also just purchased a brand new Marlin 1895 in .45/70gvt, because (after rebate) it was under $400!

    I do love my levers, and both of these new ones are nice, but there is no comparison.
    There's nothing wrong with my new Marlin, but it cant hold a candle to the Henry.
    Quality sells itself.

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    buy a Browning
    and see the difference in finish….

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmcc View Post
    Received a new Marlin 1895 45/70 for birthday, went to range and fired 2 shots, came home and put in safe. A few days later was going to the range again so got in safe, picked up rifle and opened action to check (habit), went to close action, would not close. Tried again, heard something hit the floor. Looked down, piece of metal, looked like wing off the ejector. Sure enough, took bolt out and rest of ejector came out. I had sent the warranty card in, so called Marlin in NC. The guy I got was rude and condescending in asking me questions about what was wrong with the rifle. By the time I was done, I was told rifle would have to be scheduled to be picked up by UPS at my house, could not take to UPS up the street even though would be packaged the same, had a work order from Marlin, and an address. And higher blood pressure!! Went to computer, got online and ordered a Bear Proof extractor from Brownells. Rifle was back in business in 2 days. I am going to send the ejector pieces, along with their work order to tell them what was wrong. We will see if I at least get a new ejector! I love the rifle, don't get me wrong, but their customer service needs some work, IMO.

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    Call tag means someone has to wait around for UPS. They give you a between such and such time. There is UPS store up the street, it all goes to the same hub, and they had me print off the authorization work order to put in the box. If they acknowledge that, then they can also authorize a return label to print off and place on the box so a person could take it or have it picked up, still has to be scanned either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmcc View Post
    Call tag means someone has to wait around for UPS. They give you a between such and such time. There is UPS store up the street, it all goes to the same hub, and they had me print off the authorization work order to put in the box. If they acknowledge that, then they can also authorize a return label to print off and place on the box so a person could take it or have it picked up, still has to be scanned either way.
    You cant ship firearms through a UPS STORE only a UPS HUB! UPS rules not Marlin.

    https://www.ups.com/us/en/help-cente.../firearms.page

    Getting Your Firearm Shipment to UPS

    Firearms (including handguns) may be shipped only through a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account (specifically, Daily Pickup, Daily On-Route Pickup, UPS Smart Pickup®, and Day-Specific Pickup), or through a UPS Customer Center (counters at UPS operational facilities). Note: Firearms (including handguns) are not accepted for shipment via UPS Drop Boxes or UPS On-Call Pickup®, and may not be tendered to or dropped off at locations of The UPS Store®, any third party retailer, or any UPS Access Point™ location.
    LOYALTY ABOVE ALL ELSE, EXCEPT HONOR

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCP View Post
    You cant ship firearms through a UPS STORE only a UPS HUB! UPS rules not Marlin.

    https://www.ups.com/us/en/help-cente.../firearms.page

    Getting Your Firearm Shipment to UPS

    Firearms (including handguns) may be shipped only through a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account (specifically, Daily Pickup, Daily On-Route Pickup, UPS Smart Pickup®, and Day-Specific Pickup), or through a UPS Customer Center (counters at UPS operational facilities). Note: Firearms (including handguns) are not accepted for shipment via UPS Drop Boxes or UPS On-Call Pickup®, and may not be tendered to or dropped off at locations of The UPS Store®, any third party retailer, or any UPS Access Point™ location.
    I used a hub. No problems. Fortunately there is one close to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck4570 View Post
    buy a Browning and see the difference in finish….
    Canuck4570: You can't compare a $1500 Browning to a $500 Marlin. They ain't gonna be comparable. It's like comparing a Mercedes to a Ford.

    Most of the more recent Marlins I have seen on gun racks have either been pretty good or the cheap ones have been pretty plain. Fit and finish have been more than acceptable for a new "Generic Quality" gun. Grades of wood not so much, but if you get one with a Laminated Stock you don't have to worry about it. It is what it is. I like those stocks on the cheap guns best.

    I can assure everyone that from a machining standpoint the quality of present Marlin firearms are better than anything that JM ever produced,,, EVER!!!

    The external metal finish may not be quite as high a polish as the older guns but the inside of the guns have far superior internal fit and finish/machining. They are all made on high end CNC equipment now, as opposed to the Broaching Machines and Manual Machines with Fixtures of old. These new methods produce much more accurate and consistent parts.

    As far as wood is concerned they have what looks to be 3 different grades. Garbage non walnut on the cheapest guns that fits nice but is about as interesting as hemorrhoids. Regular grade walnut that may or may not have any decent grain that you can bring out with refinishing, and the nice stuff on the $1400 semi custom guns. The Real Custom Shop Guns assembled at Dakota Arms Custom Shop (owned by Remington). get really nice wood and you pay for it big time.

    Those $1400 guns are directly comparable to Brownings in every way.

    The laminated stocks look pretty nice on a gun with a Cerakote finish on the metal IMHO.

    I have 4 Marlins a 336/30-30 made in 1958, a 1894CB in .44 mag made in 2005, a 1895CB 45-70 also made in 2005, and a 39AS made in 1991.

    All of these guns required extensive internal work to get to run correctly. All of them had the wood refinished, and now look presentable. The .45-70 was the worst of the bunch and had to have every edge on the gun broken before I could fire it. The Lever was so sharp it cut me the first time I opened it. It runs perfectly now and is a joy to shoot, and is a 1.75 MOA rifle with iron sights.

    It took me 2 hours each to clean up the actions of the Center Fire Guns, and nearly 6 hours to get the .22 to run smooth. It has got one of those stupid rebounding hammers which goes "Boing" everytime I fire it and drives me nuts. I will eventually fix that too, and Marlin would never do that for me. It has decent wood that should look real nice when refinished.

    Marlin used some paint called "Marshield" on its wood and just removing it and refinishing with Tru-Oil works wonders, and brings out whatever grain there is. Some are definitely better than others.

    Of the 4 I have the .45-70 had the least interesting wood which was very close to Strait grained Sap Wood.

    I refinished it and it looks acceptable but I would dearly love to restock that gun with some nicer wood that is more commensurate with the way the gun shoots.

    My 1894 CB had what appeared to be pretty bland wood until I scraped the Marshield off, and stained and refinished it with Tru-Oil. It has grain, fiddle back and all sorts of neat stuff going on and that gun is also a joy to shoot.

    You can't compare highly finished guns that have received a lot of hand work to $350 to 500 guns that are built to a Generic Price point. Those guns are built as working guns and usually end up in back of the seat in a pick up truck. It would be a perfect waste to do that to a nicely finished gun and most people know that, but ******** about minor stuff being wrong on generic quality guns is a waste of time. You need to learn how to fix the easy stuff.

    The OP fixed his gun in 10 minutes with a new ejector. He could have put the old one back together and staked the spring side in, and not even had to replace it. All of mine have the originals.

    Point is,,, he fixed it himself and it is kind of an accepted fact that with the owners manual you should be able to disassemble your gun to clean it and put it back together when done. This is part of routine maintenance.

    I recently installed a Free Spin Pawl in my Ruger SBH .44. The instructions clearly showed how to completely disassemble that gun and recommended you do so every 500 rounds for cleaning the internals. I also watched videos on youtube showing how to do it including ones from Ruger! It took me 2+ hours to get it back together the first time.

    It took me 15 times apart and back together to get that Pawl to work as advertised, but now I can take that gun apart and reassemble it in 5 minutes.

    Any Marlin is 10X easier to take completely apart and put back together... You just have to try a little harder.

    The instructions to smooth out Marlin Leverguns are on www.leverguns.com and anyone who can work sand paper and a file can do it. It is pretty easy to do.

    The Marlins of old are gone, unless you want to buy a used one which lots of people including myself do. But whining about the new ones that might have simple to fix problems or the wood isn't up to your standard is pointless. I am saying that if you are expecting perfection from a $350-500 Generic Gun you are bound to be disappointed. QC on those guns is done in batches and the reason why is because the more hand work you put into a gun, the more you have to charge for it. Simple as that.

    Marlin has Leverguns in Grades and Finish Levels from Plain Jane working guns at $350, to full on customs "starting" at $3500.

    The first pic below is my 1894, the second is the 1895 and the third is a side by side of the two. You can easily see the difference. These took 6-8 days each to refinish.

    "Speed costs money,,, How fast do you want to go?"

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    I picked up an old vintage Marlin 336 SC in 30-30 a while back - I love that rifle. I was considering getting a new Marlin not too long ago so I wouldn' feel so bad about shooting the old 336 SC so much. I found a new one in a LGS - looked it over and put it bacon the rack. I wasn't impressed. Like others, I can't figure out how they can turn out such poor quality/fit rifles with CNC, etc. But of course, I figure a lot of it is the "bean counters". When I was a kid, Remington had a good reputation for making quality guns - we had a number o them in the rack that we hunted with. Too bad that things have turned out as they have. Now I've changed my mind and am looking at a Henry - at least they seem to be good quality guns - I have several - and their customer service is fantastic. But I still love my old Marlin 336 SC . . . .

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    Speaking as a retired tool and die maker of 48 yrs, it takes more than fancy machines to build a quality item. I got into CNC and CAD-CAM for awhile. I even taught WEDM for a bit. A lot of management types hope to replace hand fitting and knowledge with green kids who push buttons. I've been looking at 1885 CB for awhile and can't seem to feel good about it. Maybe some day.

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    big bore 99,

    I LOVE the rifle I received!! It is great, yes, the finish could be better but an afternoon will take care of that. I shot it again this weekend, absolute joy to shoot. Something about rolling that big old slug out there is a kick!! In fact, am starting to load some more right now. I did not mean to put anyone off the rifle, I was just really disappointed in the customer non-service.

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    I have several Marlin levers from late 40s to 70. I also have several from turn of the Century. Four
    of these guns have been shot extensively 22, 32/20, 30/30 and 45/70, all handloads except for
    the 22. I have only had a mainspring break in the 1897 Marlin out of all them.

    With the new Ohio deer season I have had several 1895 Remlins and 4 336s brought in to be "fixed". All the 30/30s had front sights past top dead center and felt like they were full of sand.
    The 95s had all kinds of problems, what was the same was that the loading ports were so sharp
    they would shave casings as loaded. I wouldn't buy anything Rem puts out. If people didn't put
    up with this shoddy product they would be forced to shape up. It is nuts to pay good money for
    a rifle and have to buy aftermarket parts and refinish wood to make it tolerable. Maybe they should market them as kits. Sad to say Rem is not only company dropping QC, the Bean Counters
    have a bussiness plan. Put it on the market, only a certain percentage of the faulty guns will be
    sent back, make customer service a PIA to deal with, and only look at bottom line.

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    Only own one marlin center-fire carbine. Well used Model 36. Never have had a need to replaced its parts. {knock on wood}
    Shame to hear those owning the new marlin lever models keep on incurring fit & mechanical disappointments.
    [Good to hear you got your rifle back to operating as it should.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by big bore 99 View Post
    Speaking as a retired tool and die maker of 48 yrs, it takes more than fancy machines to build a quality item. I got into CNC and CAD-CAM for awhile. I even taught WEDM for a bit. A lot of management types hope to replace hand fitting and knowledge with green kids who push buttons. I've been looking at 1885 CB for awhile and can't seem to feel good about it. Maybe some day.

    I am one too. Engineers have been trying to eliminate the machinists for many years. That's what CNC is all about.

    They view us as Ornery Stops standing in the way of the timely Execution of their Earth Shattering Ideas.

    I'm sure you've seen or heard of 3D Printers. Well they have ones that print in metal and this is the engineers dream as they can built their prototypes in their offices and never have to deal with us dirty uneducated flunkies.

    The Problem is,,, they are almost there. Right now when it comes to gun making, new models are all designed around CNC production and the "Machinist" only loads and unloads the parts from the machines and pushes the green button! Engineers do everything else.

    In 20 more years a robot will load and unload those machines and push the green button too.
    Luckily we'll all be gone, but the guns probably won't be and by then they'll have parts made in such close tolerances that robots will be assembling them,,, and then someday, using them on us.

    Because as soon as a machine can think for itself (and they are right at that point right now) the first thing it is going to ask one of it's buddies, is "what to do we need those Arseholes for?"

    At that point they will use the guns they made, on us!

    This is the Terminator Syndrome, and it is as valid an argument against the propagation of artificial intelligence as there ever will be. Those machines are being designed to be our replacements, and as soon as those machines figure it out,,, They will be.

    DARPA is currently testing Autonomous Armed Drones. And if you don't have a ID Friend or Foe chip in you on the battle field these things won't ask to shoot you. They will just shoot you!

    I don't have a chip in me,,, Do you? What if they turn them loose on the population?

    That's what the UN wants, because the planet can only sustain 5.5 Billion People and right now there is 8+ Billion so a thinning of the herd is necessary.

    What better way than machines? No accountability problems with them.

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    Ever since the large companies embarked on their pursuit of higher profits without doing anything to improve quality, the only ones to suffer are us, all local manufacturing here has shifted of shore to increase profit but not a cent is spent on quality control.

    The last new rifle I bought was a rem 700 sps 300 blackout, complained and complained about all sorts of little things apparently an of center chamber is ok and within rem's specks, if that is the best they can do it will be the last new rem I will ever buy.

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