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    Gould 330 hp Alloy for Deer?

    Was wondering what people are using for this mold? I have read that it was used with 20-1or 16-1. I was going to use 50/50 ww and pure lead. I plan on keeping velocity to 1300 to 1500 in a 1886 26in barrel.

    Thanks Scott

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    Your 50-50 alloy will work just fine at the velocities you stated.
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    I shoot pure lead at 1300 fps. Works fine.
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    I know water is a very hard medium, but I recently tried air cooled 50/50 into water at 1,300 fps, and the boolit pretty well disintegrated. I plan on trying it with wet pack before changing the alloy, but the blow up was not at all what I was expecting.

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    we use pure to make varmint bullets.
    kind of backwards from the malleability thing you'd expect.

    if you got pure to mix with the ww's I'd test some 30-1.
    it's all an educated guess,,,, till the trigger is pulled.

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    I've used near pure at 1600, that was too fast for my taste. Bumped it to 50 50 ww to pure-ish and was better, probably about great, but kinda brutal in the little rifle with its steel butplate. Now back to near pure and 1350ish, no deer volunteer yet. That is near to the original design parameters, as best I remember, so I expect the historically consistent performance!
    I am curious if anyone has reduced the depth of HP, and board it work on "supper"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sac View Post
    Was wondering what people are using for this mold? I have read that it was used with 20-1or 16-1. I was going to use 50/50 ww and pure lead. I plan on keeping velocity to 1300 to 1500 in a 1886 26in barrel.

    Thanks Scott
    I doubt you will have any trouble with that combo
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    When I got my first Marlin 1895, the first one to hit Austin, Texas in the early 70s, I also bought an early bevel base mould for the Lyman 457122HP. About the same time, I ran into a fellow in the gunshop parking lot who had a pickup bed load of linotype pigs, which I glommed onto.

    Lemme tell you, a lino 457122 with that long, deep HP, is an explosive varmint slug. A jackrabbit would be opened up and laid out flat like a "development" drawing. That metal is relatively brittle and just shattered upon impact. The boolits were bright, shining examples of the casting arts.

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    A 16-1 alloy will do quite well for deer with the Gould bullet at 1300 - 1500 fps. It's what I use in my magnum handgun huntiing HPs at 1350 to 1450 fps (357, 41 and 44 magnums). Also what I cast my .50 maxi-balls for my TC Blk Mtn Magnum at 1575 fps and my own 45-70 HP hunting load for my OM trapdoor. I use a 458483 GC HP'd sililar to the Gould.
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    Thanks, I've had a little set back getting my mold, but when I get it I'll try 50/50 and 16-1.

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    The second deer I ever killed with a cast bullet was done in with a Gould 330 HP . It was in a Marlin 1895CB back about 2002 with a tang sight . My alloy was straight wheel weights air cooled . Sized at .459 lubed with SPG and pushed with 31.5 grains of SR4759 . I was about 20 feet off the ground in a tree stand , plunked the deer at 21 yards from the base of the tree . At the boom of the gun it was if the carpet had been pulled from under the deer and that's where he stayed . He was a large bodied 6 point I would say of 3 1/2 or 4 1/2 years . one entrance wound and two exit wounds .

    A friend of mine uses the same bullet in his Pedersoli Sharps , I worked up the load for him with XMP5744 and again straight air cooled WW's . He plunked a couple deer one year at about 125 and 175 yards . One was boom flop the other was boom tip tip tip flop .
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    I'm waiting for someone to make this boolit in a GC mold

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    I would buy even a single cavity 460122HP in gas check design. My old Ideal has a neat bevel base, which makes use of plain base checks unwise.

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    Now what was the boolit designed for ? Not targets and not Brown Bears I reckon.

    "Note that John Barlow designed these bullets for rifle cartridges, specifically black powder rifle cartridges, and therein lies the secret to the soul of the cast HP. Generally speaking, these cartridges were loaded with BP to muzzle velocities of 1100-1600 fps (most commonly in the range of 1200-1400 fps), and this is why the cast HP’s worked so well and were so well received by the hunters of the day (men like Col. Pickett and A. C. Gould) -- the guns that they were initially developed for did not over-stress them. Thus, the cast HP delivered excellent expansion and deadly performance on deer, black bear and elk."

    Back then they were called "Express" cartridges ..... lighter bullets are higher velocity.

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    Have use a few 458122hp on deer out of my 450Marlin bolt gun. Cast from Lyman#2 and driven to 2000fps. The deer just flop over! I found that I needed a GC so I put one upside down in the top of the case and used the bullet to seat it. The case tension keep it tight to the bullet base. Like the old Lyman slip on GC best but any will work.

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
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