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Thread: Powder Suggestions? 45/70 Sharps Accuracy

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    Powder Suggestions? 45/70 Sharps Accuracy

    Hi guys!

    I'm looking for some suggestions please.
    I have a Pedersoli Sharps in 45/70 and I'm looking for a nice accuracy load. I would like to narrow down the powders to a few that have known success if possible.
    The bullets are the Lyman Postal 535 or a Hoch nose pour 550. I also shoot the lee 405 flat point plain base. Most likely they will be paper patched.

    I hear 5744 is good but I can't find it locally. I might need to drive out of state if that's the consensus.

    Thank you all.

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    http://reloadammo.com/4570load.htm
    plus 68-70gr FFg black powder
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    Any accuracy or pet loads out there?

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    69 grs. of Olde Eynsford 2f, .030 fiber wad, under a 525 gr money bullet cast from 16-1
    Long range rules, the rest drool.

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    for smokeless, with a lyman457132 (casts 520gr for my alloy, not 535gr), I use IMR 4198 25gr. This is about 1178fps, I also have shot Imr 3031 with 31gr which is also about 1180fps. These both shoot pretty accurate at 100yds, anyway. The 405gr, I get the best accuracy with 14gr of Unique. I have also shot the AA5744, but like you said, it is not readily available and it is much more expensive than other powders. I am also shooting a Pedersoli Sharps

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    For that cal. and bullets like that, I would recommend Swiss 1 1/2fg. a full case, just leave room for the bullet, maybe play a bit with compression.

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    These were shot at 100 yards. They are my "HOT" loads. For local silhouette matches I cut it back to 23.5 grains.

    IMR SR 4759 is nearly impossible to find now. However you've been told correctly that 5744 is a good alternative. I've found that 23.5 grains gave me the same grouping as 4759.

    There are a number of places where you can mailorder powder.

    Good shooting.

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    im shooting the RCBS 535 postal and 24.5 grains of 5744 with a WLRP.order some powder from powder valley, i bought a 8lb jug and it shoots great out of my Pedersoli Sharps. i will eventually try black powder.

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    I use loads very similar to toymakers. 23 to 25 grains of SR4759 until my last big cannister is gone. I use a 500 grain Brooks bullet in numerous Ruger, Browning and Ruger falling blocks.

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    These were shot at 100 yards. They are my "HOT" loads. For local silhouette matches I cut it back to 23.5 grains.

    IMR SR 4759 is nearly impossible to find now. However you've been told correctly that 5744 is a good alternative. I've found that 23.5 grains gave me the same grouping as 4759.

    There are a number of places where you can mailorder powder.

    Good shooting.
    EDG

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    You cant beat 2400/with 1/2 grain dacron under 350 gr NOE or 405 RCBS ,and yup Unique is great also (never needed anything else) tried lot of others

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    Rel7, 4198, 5744, and 2400 are all outstanding in my 45-70's. I like Rel7 and 4198 the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSB View Post
    Rel7, 4198, 5744, and 2400 are all outstanding in my 45-70's. I like Rel7 and 4198 the best.
    H or IMR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J. Spangler View Post
    H or IMR?
    I've got them both and I can't tell the difference. Great results with both. I called H and they said to use the same load data even though I found a couple of loads with different weights given. FWIW, I only load to Trapdoor levels....at the high end though. I try not to make my gun a "varmint gun".

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    Measure your chamber. Pedersoli sharps have had chambers 1/8" longer than 45-70 brass. 2 solutions.

    1 seat your bulet out that far

    2 trim 45-90 brass to the chamber length.

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    I have had very good results with H4198 and 405 grain Lee HB around 31-32gr mark.

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    I shoot the lee 340 gr behind 29.9 gr H4198.Very accurate at up to 200 yrds..Rifle is Pedersoli Sharps 45/70 with Malcohm Scope.

    Created: 09/06/17 07:48 AM
    Description: 350gr not gas checks
    Notes 1:
    Notes 2:
    Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
    Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
    Bullet Weight(gr): 350.00
    Temp: N/A °F
    BP: N/A inHg
    Altitude: 0.00
    # FPS FT-LBS PF
    13 1386 1493.17 485.10
    12 1384 1488.87 484.40
    11 1362 1441.91 476.70
    10 1371 1461.03 479.85
    9 1387 1495.33 485.45
    8 1331 1377.02 465.85
    7 1394 1510.46 487.90
    6 1345 1406.14 470.75
    5 1318 1350.25 461.30
    4 1338 1391.54 468.30
    3 1294 1301.52 452.90
    2 1387 1495.33 485.45
    1 1332 1379.09 466.20
    Average: 1356.1 FPS
    SD: 31.9 FPS
    Min: 1294 FPS
    Max: 1394 FPS
    Spread: 100 FPS
    Shot/sec: 0.0
    True MV: 1357 FPS
    Group Size (in): 0.00

    29.9 gr. H4198

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    They've already been listed but I'll be redundant; IMR's 3031 and 4198 and Re-7 hve been the best smokeless powders for me in a variety of 45-70's. There isn't a doubt in my mind Unique and 2400 would also work well but I never tried either in the 45-70.
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