[QUOTE]The snobbery oozing from this thread is unbelievable. [/QUOTEHow's that crow ?I was thinking about trying to shoot a deer at 1000yards with my 45-70.
[QUOTE]The snobbery oozing from this thread is unbelievable. [/QUOTEHow's that crow ?I was thinking about trying to shoot a deer at 1000yards with my 45-70.
It is a truism of black powder rifle design that you don't much increase the velocity by using a heavier powder charge. It lets you get the velocity with a heavier and hence better shaped bullet. Black powder match shooting in the UK was frequently at a range of 1000 to 1200 yards, usually with cases which, while of greater capacity than .45-70, were smaller than some used for dangerous game. Bullet weight and shape were the real key to long-range success.
Good quality black powder, carefully loaded, is an exceptionally consistent propellant. It can't get any less consistent as the range lengthens.
BiS
Yes it is consistent. But it is NOT a 1000 yd deer rifle. Period. I shoot 1000 matches with bp and a 45-70 as much as anyone, maybe more, and even fairly well at times. It's a joke to even consider such hunting.
Someone here may remember the even more ridiculous attempt by David Higginbottam to kill an antelope at 1 mile with a BPCR. What an embarrasment that was!
When you consider that the best in this game will sometimes struggle to keep all shots for score in the black (44") at 1000 yards at a surveyed distance from a stable prone position, it's pretty clear that shooting for the kill zone of a deer at that distance is crazy. It has nothing to do with skill, a hit would be luck. The kill zone on the deer will be something like the size of the x-ring on the Creedmoor target. How many of even the best BPTR shooters hit the x-ring on command?
Chris.
I Googled 'Iowa deer hunting rifle' and according to what I read, straight wall pistol cartridges are now allowed in rifles for deer hunting in Iowa.
I think the 45-70 is not going to be allowed in either case.
So it would seem the Iowa Deer Hunting @1000 yds post was intended to stir the pot.
OP-What alloy and bullet lube did you use?
What did you do for fouling control?
LG
Hav'n you along-Is like lose'n 2 good men
20/1 alloy, SPG lube, and a blow tube to moisten the fouling. Normally three (3) puffs with a blow tube does the trick but in the 100 degree climate I had to take a drink of water and blow 4 or 5 puffs.
I run 30:1, w/DGL and BT.
X2 on drinking plenty of water.
LG
Hav'n you along-Is like lose'n 2 good men
LG, Does 30:1 lead your bore? We shoot about 50 rounds per match, 30/1 was discussed as offerering greater accuracy but that accuracy would diminish by lead deposits during a match.
I get a small touch of lead from the .45-90(85gn of 'E' 2F with 540 gn PJ C'moor@1350fps)after shooting 50 rnds or so.
Nut'n a brass brush can't remove with ease.
LG
Hav'n you along-Is like lose'n 2 good men
What I replied was in response to the opening post, about the potential of the .45-70 for target shooting at long ranges. It doesn't have the ideal black powder capacity for driving the heavy, well-shaped bullet that is important for such applications. But the problems of fouling should be less than with those that do.
Personally, I think the 70 is ideal for long range, but I shoot paper patches.
In most any match, fouling is rendered irrelevant by wiping between shots, which is pretty much required to be competitive today.
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There are a number of folks that run 45-70's in long range matches, and do quite well with it. Loaded properly it will get the job done on paper. There are also more than a few of dedicated bpcr/bptr shooters now moving to 16-1 alloy, and likeing the accuracy improvement. The original specs for the 45-70 was for a 16-1 alloy bullet.
Long range rules, the rest drool.
I would suspect that some people who try a cartridge like the .45-70 at extreme ranges on game find their insight and sense of purpose running out at the 1886 Winchester bullet they conveniently have.
I say "game", but I don't much like the way some people think it is better when you do it to coyotes etc. At low velocities nothing is too small to get away when clipped at the edges by any size of bullet. I keep thinking of a friend's wild desert dog in Oman, who decided to be a house dog and learned the procedure as fast as any pet ever bred. They don't answer job ads to be a varmint.
pretty amusing thread -- I think there are 2 or3 pistols that come in 45-70. One was a revolver, 5 or 6 shots. Shoot and hold over. Whats the problem?
Hi Knarly.Did the manufacturer supply a crowbar to extract it from you palm after firing?
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
Leo
People never lie so much as after a hunt,during a war,or before an election.
Otto von Bismarck
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