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    1,000 Yards with a .45-70

    Got to go to a 1,000 yard range last weekend. What was interesting was my sight setting for 1,000 yards is only 1.4" above my 200 yard zero. Shooting a 30" bbl. Shiloh with a 550 gr. boolit over 65 gr. of Swiss 1 1/2, I'd expected to use my 3" sight staff. It wasn't necessary.

    Fortunately the winds were calm, it was 100 degrees.

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    Depending on bullet shape, front sight height , wind mirage etc, most 45-70 rifles will be set any where from 175-205 on the sight staff.
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    I'm using a mold made for me by Steve Brooks. Shown here next to a 405 gr. Lyman.

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    That original style postel of Brooks' is a good bullet.
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    At 100 degrees I never would have found out!! You are a tougher shooter than me!!
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    Amen !
    ( O T ) sorry.
    We got the BPTR Nationals moved from July-August summer heat, to September for a few years. Ah! It was livable!
    They got moved back to August again! Not me! That heat is a health hazard for some people.

    For something back on topic
    ; Those wanting to shoot Creedmoor W/ their Silhouette rifle and have Silhouette sight settings;
    A good rule of thumb is a 1/2 inch which is the same as, 50 minutes above your Ram setting will start you on the 800y target.
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    Sounds like the weather has been pretty decent down there so far. Chip Mate is said to have set a new national record in position. Of all the years to miss the nationals...
    But at least the range is ready for the End of the World 22bpcr championship on Sunday
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    With the change in Iowa gun season allowable firearms I was thinking about trying to shoot a deer at 1000yards with my 45-70. I was going to use a 405 Lyman over 67 grains of FF Goex. I know 62 grains of FF under a 500 postel style will work but I want a flat nose. I am surprised at the small sight change. Good shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunseller View Post
    With the change in Iowa gun season allowable firearms I was thinking about trying to shoot a deer at 1000yards with my 45-70. I was going to use a 405 Lyman over 67 grains of FF Goex. I know 62 grains of FF under a 500 postel style will work but I want a flat nose. I am surprised at the small sight change. Good shooting.
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    Really? I doubt on your first shot you would get near enough to even break a deer's leg, but if you did, would it be Okay?
    You might want to take up Creedmoor for a few years while you consider this.
    No disrespect intended. Just an honest reply to your idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don McDowell View Post
    Sounds like the weather has been pretty decent down there so far. Chip Mate is said to have set a new national record in position. Of all the years to miss the nationals...
    But at least the range is ready for the End of the World 22bpcr championship on Sunday
    Yes, I was watching the weather, as that is one of two reasons I did not even consider going this year. I am glad they are having great, cool weather! Ironic! O' well. Family business is trumping all this year.

    Don, I hope you all have a GREAT eclipse and 22bpcr event! We wish we were there!
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    Wish you guys could of made it. But it sounds like we may be clouded up on Monday anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunseller View Post
    With the change in Iowa gun season allowable firearms I was thinking about trying to shoot a deer at 1000yards with my 45-70. I was going to use a 405 Lyman over 67 grains of FF Goex. I know 62 grains of FF under a 500 postel style will work but I want a flat nose. I am surprised at the small sight change. Good shooting.
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    Seriously? In the first place it's doubtful you could get a 405 gr bullet to shoot to 1000 yds, with any sort of accuracy. Second the chance of being able to place a shot into the kill zone at 1000 yards on a deer without range flags etc is slim to none.
    Use some common sense and keep your shots to 200 or considerably less, and you'll leave less deer for the coyotes to feed on.
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    Another big issue in the field will be range estimation. With these rifles 15-20 yards off on the actual range will make a miss or wounding shot also. On the range you know the range and work to it. On a home range you have your notes and or previous sight settings to work from also. Another issue is keeping the deer still and not moving for the time of flight. Your looking at 3-4 seconds maybe a little longer from when the trigger is pulled until the bullet gets there. Along with wind and light this is a daunting task.

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    1 moa drop difference from 990 yds to 1000 yds,
    that is 10", close to the depth of a deer's chest.
    better get the range estimation pretty accurate.
    keep safe,
    bruce.

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    I am sure he is just jerking our chains.

    Certainly one of the dumber and most unnessecary laws in IA this year. But no one will kill a deer in IA at 500, much less 1000 yards. Won't happen.

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    The sound of the shot takes roughly 2.67 seconds to travel 1,000 yards .
    The bullet, depending on MV and BC will take about 3.75 seconds to travel 1,000 yards.
    Any self respecting deer, upon hearing the sound of a shot, would be long gone before the bullet got there.

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    I know an awful lot of deer that are not self respecting. Often have to shoo them off the range in midmatch.

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    gunseller never said he was going to shoot at a deer at 1,000 yards. He merely stated that he was going to use his .45-70 for deer hunting. I took my first deer with a .45-70 just three months after getting my Shiloh Sharps. As long as you adhere to the long established practice of not shooting at a distance you cannot reliably keep your shots on a paper plate, you are pretty much good to go. The snobbery oozing from this thread is unbelievable. Don't run people off. Coach and encourage them.

    gunseller, I use a 350 gr RFN GC designed by Ranch Dog for my hunting bullet in .45-70. It is deadly. I never expect to take a shot beyond 125 yards with my .45-70 because in the field I usually don't have time to accurately determine range and adjust sight or determine holdover. BTW, a good portion of deer are taken inside of 100 yards. Start asking around. And, I don't hunt in swamps or heavy woods. I hunt in western Kansas. (I have hunted in South Carolina swamps too, BTW). Take you time, place your shot.

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    RC, read it again.

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    In post number 8, Gunsellers says with the change in Iowa laws I'm thinking of trying to shoot a deer at 1000yds with a 405 grn bullet. I haven't seen any real snobbery but post explaining the difficulty of doing so. In field conditions even with wind flags, range markers, known sight settings and a very good load with known wind drift and very good optics for spotting this is a very daunting task. The 45-70 is a fine big game rifle no one has said otherwise. I would be hard pressed and dang hungry to attempt a true 1000yd shot on a deer with my 300 in mag under field conditions. Not because the rifle and I arnt capable of it but the other issues involved.

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