MidSouth Shooters SupplyRotoMetals2Lee PrecisionInline Fabrication
StainLess Steel MediaGraf & SonsADvertise hereTitan Reloading

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 25

Thread: Less expensive alternatives for stock bedding?

  1. #1
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    NE Nebraska
    Posts
    336

    Less expensive alternatives for stock bedding?

    I am looking for a sub for in letting blue? I plan on ordering the 'High Score' bedding kit from Midway and using their wax release agent. Can I use 'Pam' spray as insurance from a 'sticky situation'? I can't justify paying Brownells $35 for an aresol can of release spray. Thanks,
    hc18flyer

  2. #2
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    New Mexico
    Posts
    225
    Don't know about the Pam, but I use paste car wax with very good results.

  3. #3
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Bloomfield, Nebraska
    Posts
    5,055
    You can use either lipstick or if you have good eyes just Vaseline for inletting. A tiny jar of inletting black from Track mixed with Vaseline will last forever. For release agent PM me and I will send you some as I made a mistake last time and ended up with a pint instead of 4 oz.

  4. #4
    Moderator Emeritus / Trusted loob groove dealer


    waksupi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Somers, Montana, a quaint little drinking village,with a severe hunting and fishing problem.
    Posts
    16,775
    I've used a small brush with old motor oil for years to inlet with.
    The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
    John Taylor - "African Rifles and Cartridges"

    Forget everything you know about loading jacketed bullets. This is a whole new ball game!


  5. #5
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    811
    I use a tube of the reddest lipstick that i can find.

    It lasts a long time but be sure to let your wife know that you are using it,like anti-seize it tends to get all over you.
    As for release agent the blue stuff in the glass kit from Brownells does a good job just put several coats on.

    I have used paste wax and had no problems as well.

  6. #6
    Boolit Master


    Larry Gibson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Lake Havasu City, Arizona
    Posts
    15,867
    Yup, cheapest and reddest tube of lipstick is excellent for inletting.

    As for a release agent I have been using LLA for years with almost every bedding compound. Apply with a small brush and Q-Tips for tight areas and let dry thoroughly. It also cleans off easily with most any solvent.
    Larry Gibson

    “Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing.”
    ― Nikola Tesla

  7. #7
    Boolit Master



    M-Tecs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Minnesota
    Posts
    4,647
    for inletting I use the tradition smoke method. For a release agent I have used a bunch. Never had an issue with any of them.

  8. #8
    Boolit Master Texas by God's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    3,256
    Yes, PAM works for release agent.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

  9. #9
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    1,559
    For a release agent
    Johnsons Paste Wax.
    Or plain old Parifin Wax block rubbed on the metal , then warmed up with a Hair dryer..
    I did have one stick when I used Pam years ago.
    But that was probably my bad like touching the metal after it was sprayed.
    But all I use now is the Paste Wax.
    I had car wax dull the Bluing on a finished barrel from the Polish in it
    For in letting, I started many years ago with red lipstick before I switched to Prussian Blue.
    But as others have said.
    Petroleum jelly mixed with a color will work fine

  10. #10
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Northwest Ohio
    Posts
    7,650
    The spray cooking oils work okay and provide a thin coating once the even out, But like most aresols over spray and drift can be an added mess. Paste wax from floor wax tp automotive wax also work well and arnt as messy. Oils and greases will also work as a release agent. Any wax or oil that can keep the epoxy from adhereing to the barrel / action is fine. Another good insurance policy is to fil all the holes and cut out with clay so a mechanical lock cant be made. Lipstick works well for spotting and inletting as does simple smoke. I have used a carbide miners lamp I have for smoking rifle sights for this and it works good. The trick is something you can see and can be applied in a fine even coat. The finer the better. I start with a heavy coat when beginning and keep spreading it around and as the work gets finer so does the spotting medium. The carbon from the miners lamp mixed with a little oil works good for this. then a q-tip or small cloth dauber to apply.

  11. #11
    Boolit Master

    drhall762's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Ammon, NC
    Posts
    331
    Ditto Johnson's paste wax. Lots of other uses as well. Light coat on all metal surfaces if you are hunting in wet weather for one.

    Smoky oil lamp will work as well for inletting black.
    Dave

    In 100 years who of us will care?
    An armed society is a polite society.
    Just because they say you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you!

  12. #12
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Posts
    251
    Hundreds in a gun but won't spend 35 bucks for a 20 gun supply of the right release agent ? You can also use Bondo to bed the gun in. False economy, I would say.

  13. #13
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Northwest Ohio
    Posts
    7,650
    I have seen bondo, 5 min epoxy, jb weld, Marine tex, and plastic steel. Bondo is hard to being brittle and may chip and crack the shrinkage on it curing is also a problem. The Jb was on a M1A during the nationals as a emergency repair when a rifle quit shooting by a room mate in the hut. It was more a quicky glue in than a bedding job. LB weld dosnt do bad but is hard to work with. The marine tex was the fad a few years ago and does do a decent job. Its white in color and needs dyed to look good. I did one rifle with it and it took 2 coats 1 to fill and a skim coat after. It did seem on the brittle side to me. The plastic steel was good and has been used for years more expensive than alot of the actual bedding compounds and I believe the smallest amount is 1 quart size. For most uses I prefer Bisonite, acra glass gel, and micro bed in that order. For release agent the brownels that comes with the accra glass kit is good. Pam works and is available everywhere just don't touch it after applying and give it a short time to even out. Paste waxes also work well, I put a first coat on and buff out then a second light coat and let dry. second coat is applied in opposite direction to the first to help cover any spots missed. Paste wax and thebrownels are better if you coat both action and stock. Pam may wipe off or thin when coating the receiver.

  14. #14
    Boolit Master



    M-Tecs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Minnesota
    Posts
    4,647
    As I stated I have used a bunch of different release agents. My preference are the ones like in Bisonite http://www.championshooters.com/inde...=25&Itemid=111 that when dry leave zero revisable residue or buildup. None of the common alternative release agents have given me any issues. As to what the "right" release agent is I don't have a clue. There is only one I will never use for bedding actions and that is http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-to...prod41622.aspx since it leaves a realitively thick coating when dry. I do like it for the floor plates and actions screw due to it's thickness.

    Last couple I did I used Hornady one shot case lube. Worked very well.

  15. #15
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    394
    Johnson's Paste Wax always worked fine for me.

    Mike

  16. #16
    Boolit Man pertnear's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Heart of Texas
    Posts
    146
    I bought a half used can of Johnson's Paste Wax years ago & have used it as a release agent on many rifles. Looks like that can will last my life time!
    Visit my fictional blog "The dr Chronicles" about a laid-back Texan named dr - Enjoy!

  17. #17
    Boolit Master
    leebuilder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Nova Scotia
    Posts
    848
    I smoke with masking tape rolled up and lit, works well to blacken sights.
    And use shoe polish for release agent, neutral put on thick or thin works good dry or wet.
    For bedding compound I have used jb weld, devcon steel bed, accuraglass and others, they all work just mix a sample and let it sit to see how it sets up, rock hard or hard rubber. Dollar store play dough for filling voids and holes.
    Be well
    Last edited by leebuilder; 08-04-2017 at 08:11 PM.
    When you read the fine print you get an education
    when you ignore the fine print you get experience

  18. #18
    Boolit Master





    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    NH
    Posts
    2,265
    Why $35 dollar spray? The brush on works and is cheap. The Johnsons paste wax cleans off easier though.

  19. #19
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    central arkansas
    Posts
    1,212
    I started using marine tex about 5 years ago, and never had a problem. I use a lantern to smoke for inletting, and JPW for release agent. I try and keep thing simple.

  20. #20
    Boolit Master

    Shiloh's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Upper Midwest
    Posts
    6,355
    Johnson paste wax and/or the blue alcohol bases stuff in the kit.

    Used the paste wax as the alcohol based stuff was dry. I hear you can revive it with 99% isopropyl or the isopropyl gas dryer.

    Shiloh
    Je suis Charlie

    "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves."
    Bertrand de Jouvenel

    “Any government that does not trust its citizens with firearms is either a tyranny, or planning to become one.” – Joseph P. Martino

    “If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert , in five years there would be a shortage of sand.” – Milton Friedman

    "Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns; why should we let them have ideas?" - J. Stalin

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check