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Thread: Weird way to cook Cream of wheat - 10 grains of Red Dot!

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    Weird way to cook Cream of wheat - 10 grains of Red Dot!

    Weird way to cook Cream of Wheat is 10 grains of Red Dot in a 9.3x74R case in a .410 3" Magnum single shot shotgun.
    Some folks would call this "Fire forming 3" Magnum 'All Brass' .410 shotshells!"

    9.3x74R brass primed with primers punched from previously primed brass

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    9.3x74R brass primed with primers punched from previously primed brass
    Just any old primer that fits will work!
    There is no real pressure, so it doesn't matter if the primer used is rifle or pistol, regular or magnum, because it is just lighting the powder.

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    Powdered cases with two cases with Cream of Wheat on top of the powder.
    These cases have only powder and cream of wheat, so they must be kept vertical until fired!
    A better way would be to use a small wad of crumpled tissue/toilet/paper towel over the powder and below the cream of wheat. Still keep it vertical until fired!
    Pushing the case with powder and cream of wheat (or corn meal) case mouth into a thin bar of soap (hotel bars or nearly used up bars less than 1/4" thick) would allow firing from any position and feeding through a pump shotgun.

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    Firing vertical!

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    Firing vertical!

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    Firing vertical!

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    One powder measure with Red Dot and one powder measure with Cream of Wheat.
    About 10.0 grains of Red Dot. You can reduce the Red Dot charge if the case is fully expanded to the case mouth or increase it if the case is not expanded all the way to the case mouth.
    The case will be wider and better expanded in the front half of the case. Loading charges with shot will increase pressures and expand the case closer to the case rim. Multiple reloading may be required to fully fit the chamber. If the Cream of Wheat is not kept out of the powder with a small piece of wadded up paper, the brass may look speckled!
    Case mouths will be "out of square" due to variations in brass thickness. You can case trim to uniform lengths after your first loading with shot.

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    Expanded case.

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    Expanded case.

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    Extracting uncooperative case with a cleaning rod.
    Some cases cooperate and are easily extracted and some don't.
    This is a dirty process and requires frequent cleaning. A Bore Snake really helps!

    More photos to follow when we load them!
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    Loaded one and compared it to Remington and Winchester 3" Magnum #4 1135 fps loads.

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    1/16" sheet of cork. Used 7/16" punch to punch out eight of these to provide 1/2" of cushioning between the powder and shot.

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    1/16" sheet of cork. Used 7/16" punch to punch out eight of these to provide 1/2" of cushioning between the powder and shot.

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    1/16" sheet of cork. Used 7/16" punch to punch out eight of these to provide 1/2" of cushioning between the powder and shot.

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    1/8" cardboard. Used 7/16" punch to punch out one of these to provide an overshot wad. We did not glue it in because we were going to immediately shoot it. If we would have stored this shot shell, we would have glued the over shot wad in with Elmer's wood glue.

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    1/8" cardboard.Used 7/16" punch to punch out one of these to provide an overshot wad. We did not glue it in because we were going to immediately shoot it. If we would have stored this shot shell, we would have glued the over shot wad in with Elmer's wood glue.

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    Loaded with about 16 grains of Alliant 2400. Scale shows 16.2.

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    Loaded with about 16 grains of Alliant 2400. Scale shows 16.2.

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    Loaded with about 16 grains of Alliant 2400. Scale shows 16.2. Poured it in with a funnel.
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    Loading 3" 'All Brass" shot shells with a Lee Loader.


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    Eight 1/16" cork wads for 1/2" of cushioning wads between powder and shot.

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    Seating 1/2" of 1/16" cork wads on top of powder.

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    Seating 1/2" of 1/16" cork wads on top of powder.

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    Seating 1/2" of 1/16" cork wads on top of powder.

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    Adding 3/4 ounce of #4 shot. Measured with Lee Loader Shot Scoop!


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    Adding 3/4 ounce of #4 shot. Measured with Lee Loader Shot Scoop!

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    Seating 1/2" of 1/16" cork wads on top of powder.

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    Seating 1/2" of 1/16" cork wads on top of powder.

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    Seating 1/2" of 1/16" cork wads on top of powder.

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    Adding 3/4 ounce of #4 shot.

    16.2 of 2400
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    Loading 3" 'All Brass" shot shells with a Lee Loader.

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    Tamping down the shot.

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    Winchester 3" pattern at 10 yards.

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    Remington 3" pattern at 10 yards.

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    All Brass pattern at 10 yards.

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    Winchester 3" / Fired 3"/ All Brass / Remington 3"

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    Tamping down the shot.

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    Inserting the 1/8" over shot wad.

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    Tamping down the shot.

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    Tamping down the shot.

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    Fired All Brass hull to inspect primer (LP) for signs of pressure.

    Very similar patterns on available paper targets.
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    I love show and tell, thanks

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    9.3x74R fireforms well to 3". About 10 grains of Red Dot and then nearly fill the case with Cream of Wheat.

    Full length resize with 444 Marlin dies. 3" exceeds 444 Marlin length, so remove the decapping stem.

    About 16 grains of 2400.

    Top the 2400 with 1/2" of cork. We used eight 1/16" pieces of cork.

    Use a 7/16" punch to punch out the wads, cork and cardboard.

    Top the cork with 3/4 ounce shot or a wad and shot.
    We used just shot and a wad should tighten the group.
    The Reminton and Winchester loads were 11/16 ounce loads.

    Top the shot with cardboard. We used 1/8", but any cardboard will work including cardboard from primer cartons. We did not use glue, but if you store them, use Elmer's wood glue to glue the cardboard in place.

    We test fired at about ten paces.

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    i remember getting those pics, an update in the recipe is buffer wad made from 1/2" fiber accustic celing tiles with a 7/16" hollow plug cutter in a drill press over 18gr red dot. otherwise the same song n dance.

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    I haven't loaded those, but have fireformed 7 tcu using cornmeal and then sealing case with melted paraffin. Works real good. By the way, I used Unique or Bullseye.

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    Outstanding! Great thread and pics!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fast ronnie View Post
    I haven't loaded those, but have fireformed 7 tcu using cornmeal and then sealing case with melted paraffin. Works real good. By the way, I used Unique or Bullseye.
    You can also use bar soap. The little soap bars from hotels are supposed to work real well. Just push the bar of soap down on the case mouth.

    However, it works just fine to use only powder and cornmeal if you take your measures to the range and keep the muzzle pointed up at all times. You will likely need a cleaning rod and solvent or a bore snake and solvent because it will need frequent cleaning while fire forming the brass; maybe even between each case!
    It takes a long time to fire form 100 cases!!!

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    Awesome idea!
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    Thanks for this post. I've been reading about making 410 brass out of several like 303 but not the one you used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonp View Post
    Thanks for this post. I've been reading about making 410 brass out of several like 303 but not the one you used.
    9.3x74R for 3"
    444 Marlin for 2 1/2"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrassMagnet View Post
    9.3x74R for 3"
    444 Marlin for 2 1/2"
    A pox on you for .444 brass misuse! (unless it's that stupid short Hornady brass)
    An old Cherokee was teaching his grandson about life. "Inside me two wolves fight," he told the boy.
    "One is evil - he is anger, envy, greed, arrogance, self-pity, resentment, lies, false pride, and ego. The other is good - he is joy, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, generosity, truth and faith. The same fight is inside you - and every other person, too."
    The grandson thought for a minute and asked,"Which wolf will win?"
    The old Cherokee replied, "The one you feed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrassMagnet View Post
    9.3x74R for 3"
    444 Marlin for 2 1/2"

    Quote Originally Posted by RoyEllis View Post
    A pox on you for .444 brass misuse! (unless it's that stupid short Hornady brass)
    Shame on you for small mindedness!

    444 Marlin = .410 2 1/2" all brass. It is FL sized with 444 Marlin dies after removing the stem. Load is low pressure and it is still 444 Marlin brass.

    Do pay attention to all of the purple text for tongue-in-cheek humorous comments!

    It works with any 444 Marlin brass the load fits inside which includes new 444 Marlin brass, short Hornady 444 brass, and good brass from the private stash of RoyEllis. Just don't form 303 British brass from the BrassMagnet stash!
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    Very nice job was informative.

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    I draw the line there Brassy! Don't you dare send that sneaky George here to molest my Starline virgin box! That's simply inhumane and borders on a declaration of war!
    I do have a side chute for your rabbit hole....go to the shotshell for pistol area and read geargnasher's post on making milk jug shot capsules. You can use that to make 3" payload shells outta your 2.5" shells. I've been doing this for awhile, often reforming 303 brit cases for the task. esp. the berdan primed ones. You'll have to turn the rims down to 444 spec (only a few thou smaller)but you wind up with a modern version of the old 45/70 forager rounds, just plastic nosed instead of a hollow wood nose.
    Oh and if you happen to have an old slow twist Marlin 444 like mine, those shotshells will give good enough patterns out to about 15yds for squirrel, rabbit n such. Just don't load em in the mag tube they can bust open sometimes.....bad juju.
    An old Cherokee was teaching his grandson about life. "Inside me two wolves fight," he told the boy.
    "One is evil - he is anger, envy, greed, arrogance, self-pity, resentment, lies, false pride, and ego. The other is good - he is joy, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, generosity, truth and faith. The same fight is inside you - and every other person, too."
    The grandson thought for a minute and asked,"Which wolf will win?"
    The old Cherokee replied, "The one you feed."

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    Older thread, but looking for specific info on fire forming the 9.3x74r brass. Brassmagnet you didn't specific if you annealed the brass prior to fireforming. Have 9.3 x 74 brass made by PPU. Have everything to fireform them just curious if they need to be annealed before fireforming.

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    I got several bags of ppu brass in several calibers, 22 hornet, 30-30, 243, 270 since the last great shortage and all of it has discolored necks as if it was annealed.
    for what it cost me even if its only good for 1 loading its worth it.
    I tried running a 35 whelen die though a few pieces of 270 and all of them split. I just got a new box of cream of wheat and will see if they can take fire forming with a few grains of bullseye.

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