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    Rimless 30wcf and upgraded.308

    What is the smartest option in creating a rimless 30wcf..

    A basic redesign of the case head, or simply switching to a rimless case that can be adjusted to a similar case capacity?


    And why is there no seeming interest in a 35 caliber or .303 enfield projectile 7.62x51?

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    What is the reason for a rimless 30-WCF?

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    Only reason I can see if that you have a Remington Model 8 chambered for .30 Remington...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minuteshaver View Post
    ... And why is there no seeming interest in a 35 caliber or .303 enfield projectile 7.62x51?
    It was called the .358 Winchester and while a great cartridge, it was a commercial flop because it was a hard kicker in light rifles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
    Only reason I can see if that you have a Remington Model 8 chambered for .30 Remington...
    Cast in a bolt action. There aren't that many 788 .30-30's out there. Before I got my 788, I considered it. The bolt head has to be bushed for the .422 rim. Another possibility is the .22 Nosler necked up to .30. It is essentially a .30 Rem with a .378 rim. Most people just settle for the .308 Win, but the .30-30 case is well known for accuracy with cast bullets.
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    We are discussing the 1906 .30 Remington.
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    The 30 Remington is indeed just as great a cast-bullet cartridge as the 30 wcf -- identical case capacity and the same beautiful long neck. The only rub being that Remington only makes a run of these cartridges every few years. I laid in a couple hundred cases last time they were readily available -- hope they last until the next run...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldblinddog View Post
    Cast in a bolt action. There aren't that many 788 .30-30's out there. Before I got my 788, I considered it. The bolt head has to be bushed for the .422 rim. Another possibility is the .22 Nosler necked up to .30. It is essentially a .30 Rem with a .378 rim. Most people just settle for the .308 Win, but the .30-30 case is well known for accuracy with cast bullets.
    No reason the rims on .30-30 brass cannot be turned to fit a Mauser, Springfield or Remington 700 boltface.

    Would seem the elegant and simple solution.
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    For the love of Pete !

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    30 , 32 Rem , 30-30 , 32 Rem and 6.8 . The rimmed one is the 30WCF the longer rimless is the Remington and the conventional shoulder belongs to the WAY shorter 6.8 SPC .

    While the 30-30&32 Win and 30&32 Rem share data they are more like the 257 Roberts and the AI . Love that Weatherby shoulder . No?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
    No reason the rims on .30-30 brass cannot be turned to fit a Mauser, Springfield or Remington 700 boltface.

    Would seem the elegant and simple solution.
    Even easier is just open the (95) Mauser bolt face slightly to accomodate rim as is. It's been done. Many ways to skin a cat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harter66 View Post
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    30 , 32 Rem , 30-30 , 32 Rem and 6.8 . The rimmed one is the 30WCF the longer rimless is the Remington and the conventional shoulder belongs to the WAY shorter 6.8 SPC .
    If you could just get the .22 Nosler in the picture also. It is a shortened, necked down .30 Remington, somewhat similar to the 6.8 SPC, with a rim diameter rebated to .223/.222 Remington diameter of .378 so it will work in the standard ar platform. It would be the easiest to manipulate into a bolt gun...just neck up and go.
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    I don't have any of that brass yet to run in the 6.8 with a 223 bolt or maybe a 25 .
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    Possibilities are endless!
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    how much would a 30-30 barrel cost for a rem 700?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minuteshaver View Post
    how much would a 30-30 barrel cost for a rem 700?
    A barrel is a barrel. Your gunsmith can chamber the barrel for whatever cartridge you choose. The trick is to make the cartridge you choose work in the action. I would not choose the Remington 700 for the .30-30. You could make your original idea of a .30 Remington by using a 700 action with a bolt sized for the .223 family of cartridges(.378"). Your gunsmith will have to bush the bolt face to the correct size (.422") and installing a Sako type extractor. Or you can buy a new bolt from PT&G that is already set up for this. Brass for the .30 Remington can be had from Quality Cartridge, but it is expensive.

    If you would rather use the .30-30 then you need to read this thread: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...t-on-SR-Mauser
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    Down side of the 22nosler case is losing the nice long neck. I think Rem makes a 700 in 6.8 so the Rem extractor exists, just open the bolt face and put in the extractor of your choice. That said the Sako conversion is well respected. Getting a rimmed case to feed from a 700 mag could be problematic, rimless easy Pease.
    When I bought my 141 in 30rem I expected to have to make brass from 3030, not a big deal but I found factory brass with a bit of effort. I have long thought a mini mauser in 30 Rem would be the cats meow for cast 30s.
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    Well since we're helping him wish book .

    Get a Carcano action , hold on kids , there was a 6.5 x 35 Remington wildcat just for the 6.5 Carcano .
    You get it rebbl'd , there is a catch and that is that your bbl blank has to be 1.25" the Carcano has a 1.10×14 thread if memory serves , I do remember that it was bigger than the 98' .

    The bolt requires a little fill for 25,30,32 Rem but is perfect for the slightly larger 35 Remington . 30 Rem Brass is available . It is readily made by turning the rim off 30-30 plus an extractor groove . You will have to full length the Rem case to tweek the shoulder unless you use something like an AI reamer and find dies . PTG I believe still catalogs a 30 Rem reamer and new dies are available from the Huntington's and C&H . Cases run $2 but Grumpa here runs some from 308 sometimes .

    For my 7×6.8 I think I would be better off to have reamed it to a rimless 7-30 Waters . I think the longer case would feed better .
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    .30 Rem AR is rimless and was supposed to bring the .30-30 to an AR15. Might be worth a look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rking22 View Post
    Down side of the 22nosler case is losing the nice long neck.
    Simple, just run the .22 Nosler brass into a 6.8 die first, then neck up to .30. Nice long neck.

    Or, you could use the .30 Rem AR which is a variation on the .308x1 1/2 Barnes (or .30 BR, your choice), but that's been done over and over and over.
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