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Thread: '03A3 Heat treat ??

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    '03A3 Heat treat ??

    I have come into an '03A3 that went through a fire. It is complete but all wood is gone. The receiver should have several springs in it, and does. They are all as dead as Scotch tape. A normal steel file will grab right into the underside. So, who can properly re-heat treat this?, what is a ball park price? Is this a reasonable course of action? I have a '44 R barrel, new; and spare bolt, stock, and other smalls I can get.
    What would you guys do?
    Also have a Snyder .577 that was in same fire.

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    Might be a paper weight, not sure many if any would touch it as a rebuildable receiver. I've not heard of a smith or shop that would touch one....

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    Remingtons have a hard skin and are "soft" inside. SCs are hard as a *****'s heart all the way through. You probably can find someone to test it and perhaps even reheat treat it. I would not bother as 03A3 actions and even complete rifles are not hard to find. A complete excellent rifle can be had for around $1000 or an action salvaged off one the home built sporters that are everywhere for $250-400.

    That's how I built my "tribute" 03A4, buy buying an unmolested SC 03A3 that was stuck in a plastic stock and getting a bent bolt and all the furniture from Numrich. Redfield still makes the scope base and I found someone who had perfected drilling SC receivers. Went with a Korea/Nam era Kollmorgen rather than the worthless Weaver 330.

    The previous post about a paperweight was probably spot on. Good shooting !

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    HW your prob'ly right. But what about case hardening? Would that be hard enough? just wondering

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    Quote Originally Posted by ascast View Post
    HW your prob'ly right. But what about case hardening? Would that be hard enough? just wondering

    Only if you have paid-up full medical coverage................. and, great liability insurance.

    Any fire hot enough to burn off the stock & take the temper from the springs - not to mention softening the receiver - will turn what looks like a viable restoration into a hand grenade with the pin out, just waiting for an opportune time to blow.

    If I got my hands on it, I would cut it up, so some innocent doesn't fell prey to it, after it for whatever reason has left my hands.


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    ++++1^^^^

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    That gun is JUNK!!!!!

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    Deep six it so some some fool doesn't ever use it.

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    03A3's were not case hardened.Most if not all were made from 8620 steel.I wouldn't use the receiver if it is soft.They're normally extremely hard.If you want a professional opinion contact Blanchard Metal Processing in Salt Lake City.If they're still in business they reheat treat Mauser receivers and bolts.

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    http://www.bmproc.com/ndt.html

    Yeah you can do this and it will only cost more than a complete mint 03A3.

    ONLY SC receivers are hard all the way through. Remingtons are soft inside and surface hardened.

    More incorrect information centering on a receiver that is not worth fooling with.

    It's not an engraved commercial Mauser Werke kurtz action from the 1930s !

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    Turn it into a .45 ACP. Years ago I acquired a Spanish FR-8 that had been in a fire. I made a magazine adapter for a 1911 magazine and turned a receiver bushing to use a 16" Cobray barrel I picked up at Knob Creek. It made a heckuva little rifle in the end.

    The bolt head needs no mod. Not sure about the 03a3 but it should be pretty much the same. Dealing with the ejector was the trickiest part but I copied the Rhineland kits and it worked out.
    When dealing with islam one should always ask themselves: "What would Leonidas do?"

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    Give it and the Snider a proper burial. So you won't need one. My .02.

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    Question is, I remember reading the recievers were annealed before the final heat treat happened, wouldn't that fire qualify as over done annealing?

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    I'm with Pietro. A conversion to .45 ACP would work, probably, but then, who's to say who'd get ahold of it later, and chamber it for something that would make it a grenade? That would worry me WAY too much to not go the safest/best route, and cut it up. Might make some good paper wts. for the shooting/reading room that way. Anyone who's ever had a gun blow up in his hands (I have!) does NOT want to EVER see that happen again, to himself or anyone else! That is guaranteed!

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    It amazes me that some can't get it thru their heads the gun is toast. So lets spend a couple hundred dollars to change it to 45 auto and it still blows up in your face. Or the one with the low numbered 03 that will only shoot mild cast boolit loads in it, must think he going to live forever. Or the one with the demilled 03a3 spending hundreds to get it to shoot again. There comes a time to just give it up and possibly save a life maybe your own.
    Rant over.

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    It amazes me that some people think they are responsible for other people's actions. If you live your life worrying about what someone else does down the line after you're gone you'll never get much done.

    You could make a bolt action out of 1018 cold rolled and it would handle a 45 auto at normal pressures. The FR-8 I used had been in a two story house that burned to the ground. It was hot enough to burn the stock completely and turn all the springs to dead soft wire. The shop I was working in at the time; The guy that ran the mill next to mine asked about the same thing. I had already put several hundred (close to a thousand) rounds through it in the previous 6 months. I brought it to work and had one of the guys magnaflux the bolt. No cracks. The receiver tested about 11 Rockwell(c)

    As with everything in life, everyone is on their own. What works for one might not work for you. Know what you're doing or don't do it.



    Another cool project if you have the skill to do it: Thread a 45 or 50 caliber barrel for the receiver and thread the chamber end for 209 primer adapter and you could build a very unique muzzleloader.
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    When dealing with islam one should always ask themselves: "What would Leonidas do?"

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    Yup, lets not get rid of this time bomb, let's make it into something ! A while ago a member had a Jap drill rifle action for sale on here. Somebody could have bought it and made it into a 220 Swift and ...... died !

    With all the good used rifles available WHY would anyone mess with this POS ?

    Same guy who drops a 426 Hemi in a 1949 Ford and doesn't change anything else.

    "Yeah, that surplus blank powder is okay to use in your 300 Weatherby, I read it works great somewhere."

    "Yeah, shooting those 303s in your Krag is a great idea. You can tell from the recoil that it's more powerful."

    "Yeah that Bannerman Mosin in 30-06 is fine. I got a Jap rechambered to 06' and it's great. Those 35 Remingtons drop right in my Springfield so they must be made to work in it."

    What part of messing with an action that has been in a fire is STUPID was missed here ?

    NYT Headline: "Child killed when father's old military gun explodes at local gun club. Gov. Cuomo calls for the confiscation and destruction of all military firearms to avoid further tragedies."

    DUMB-DE-DUMB-DUMB !

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    If a borrow another members line, play stupid games win stupid prizes. Just don't pass it on without telling the next person.

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    But that's exactly the problem, Steel. Who knows we won't get hit by a truck and killed, and nobody else will know to pass the info on. And in a court of law, one COULD legitimately be held legally responsible for someone's wrongful death due to negligence. An awful lot of ambulance chasing lawyers would LOVE to get a case like this! Sometimes, it really IS possible to be a little TOO cheap. And this is coming from a lifelong miser, too! I've had to ditch a gun before, and it smarts, but I knew it was the right thing to do. I don't want another's death or injury on my conscience, and then there's the legal thing to boot! But people do what people do, and there's got to be a Darwin Award winner somewhere just waiting for his turn for "fame and glory." (shrug) I've done a number of milsurp conversions, but in all cases, I fired the original rifle BEFORE rebarreling them. Every time! But then, I'm just not a very trusting soul when it comes to my personal safety, and like to prove things first that might hurt me. And guns have LOTS of pressure in them! Not good to tempt Mama Nature!!!

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    Die thread die !!!!!

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