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    You will soon be able to carry your Claymore in Texas

    Don't know how I'm managed to survive this long without having that ability.

    http://www.khou.com/news/politics/ne...aces/454796421

    A new Texas law will soon make it legal for anyone to walk down the street carrying a sword or even a machete.

    House Bill 1935 was recently signed into law, and come September, long knives, daggers and even spears can legally be taken into public.

    The author of the bill, Representative John Frullo said its main purpose is to simplify the laws pertaining to knives and to limit their restrictions.

    “Accidents happen and people misuse things. So any of that can apply to a knife just as well as it could to a gun," said Mike Clark with Collectors Firearms.

    Any blade over 5.5 inches, which is currently illegal, can soon be carried in public by law. That includes daggers, spears, swords, Bowie knives, and even machetes.

    “But I don’t think you’re going to see a lot of it. People aren't going to use these big knives. They’re cumbersome. You don’t want to walk around with one of those every day. But if you want to, it’s your right," Clark said.

    The only places they won’t be allowed include schools, bars, hospitals and churches.

    Clark said most of these knives are used for hunting and fishing, but some people buy them for self-defense.

    However, locals aren’t so sure.

    “What would be the purpose like, are you trying to work out with it? What are you trying to do with it, besides intimidate?” said Nadia Cousins.

    Some say they may need to be the ones who need the protection.

    “Even if the person was no threat, I would automatically start assuming and starting to kind of look at the situation," said Mark Cousins.

    The law will go into effect on September 1, 2017.

    Representative Frullo also said as a business owner, you are allowed to post signs prohibiting anyone from bringing a knife on your property
    When you fill out your income tax forms at the end of the year, look and see how much money you have given the
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    stuff FOR you or TO you this year? I tend to believe the latter...

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    It's a law to eliminates other laws, yeah!

    That said, I don't expect a sudden jump in renaissance festivals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimB.. View Post
    It's a law to eliminates other laws, yeah!

    That said, I don't expect a sudden jump in renaissance festivals.
    Texas still is trying to get rid of those laws that were forced upon us during the Yankee Occupation after the War of Northern Aggression. One of the laws that this one got rid of prohibited "Bowie Knives", but nowhere was there a definition of what constituted a "Bowie Knife".

    We have another one that is still on the books that prohibits "zip guns", and their definition of a "zip gun" would include any personal built firearm, even ones that started out as an 80% kit. They define a "zip gun" as:

    ... a device or combination of devices that was not originally a firearm and is adapted to expel a projectile through a smooth-bore or rifled-bore barrel by using the energy generated by an explosion or burning substance.
    And a "firearm" is defined as:

    ... any device designed, made, or adapted to expel a projectile through a barrel by using the energy generated by an explosion or burning substance or any device readily convertible to that use. Firearm does not include a firearm that may have, as an integral part, a folding knife blade or other characteristics of weapons made illegal by this chapter and that is:
    (A) an antique or curio firearm manufactured before 1899; or
    (B) a replica of an antique or curio firearm manufactured before 1899, but only if the replica does not use rim fire or center fire ammunition.
    http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.u.../htm/PE.46.htm

    So, even if you started out from just a block of steel, that would meet that definition.
    When you fill out your income tax forms at the end of the year, look and see how much money you have given the
    government throughout the year. Then, take a moment to ponder -- has the government done $X worth of
    stuff FOR you or TO you this year? I tend to believe the latter...

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    That's not what I had in mind when you said claymore.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom W. View Post
    That's not what I had in mind when you said claymore.........
    Same here - I was getting all excited.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom W. View Post
    That's not what I had in mind when you said claymore.........
    Well, assuming that sort of Claymore is classified as an "explosive weapon" by Texas, then it is already allowed as long as it is NFA registered.
    When you fill out your income tax forms at the end of the year, look and see how much money you have given the
    government throughout the year. Then, take a moment to ponder -- has the government done $X worth of
    stuff FOR you or TO you this year? I tend to believe the latter...

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    I didn't think of the Claymore mine, but of the Scottish Claymore sword.

    Did Texas also include the much needed item of state law supersedes county/city laws on knifes, etc? That's the problem we've got here in Alabama, while the state might allow carrying a knife, some cities have outlawed "any" folding pocket knife. I don't remember the city it was, but do remember reading that somewhere..... on the internet.... So, it MUST be true

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    I suppose poor Nadia Cousins has never heard of anyone being intimidated by a shotgun ?

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    You will soon be able to carry your Claymore in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by NavyVet1959 View Post
    Texas still is trying to get rid of those laws that were forced upon us during the Yankee Occupation after the War of Northern Aggression. One of the laws that this one got rid of prohibited "Bowie Knives", but nowhere was there a definition of what constituted a "Bowie Knife".
    So explain to me how the "Yankee" state I live in has had the exact law that you may get in the future? You guys really need to drop the north versus south BS. The gun laws in PA are better than ones in Texas IMO. Same for hunting laws, but then again I don't like paying for a place to hunt. You just got open carry, w/ a permit, where as I don't need one and did just that from 18-21 until I could legally get my CCW permit.

    I won't pretend that preemption that doesn't exist in this state. W/ both knife and gun laws. The state has ruled that preemption is illegal and it's currently working its way through the courts. It's always been this way but the courts have allowed it. Maybe it's because I work w/ a guy from Texas. But I'm tired of hearing how great the state is when it has many faults and is behind the times w/ lots of laws.

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    Funny enough, CalIfornia has very reasonable knife laws
    If there was a folding sword and you could conceal it, you good.
    Want to roll around with a sword, a machete, spear, whatever, no problem.
    We get 4" folders here in Missouri
    When I visit Colorado for example, I break out the 3.5" max size folder.
    Knife laws are all over the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragon813gt View Post
    So explain to me how the "Yankee" state I live in has had the exact law that you may get in the future? You guys really need to drop the north versus south BS. The gun laws in PA are better than ones in Texas IMO. Same for hunting laws, but then again I don't like paying for a place to hunt. You just got open carry, w/ a permit, where as I don't need one and did just that from 18-21 until I could legally get my CCW permit.

    I won't pretend that preemption that doesn't exist in this state. W/ both knife and gun laws. The state has ruled that preemption is illegal and it's currently working its way through the courts. It's always been this way but the courts have allowed it. Maybe it's because I work w/ a guy from Texas. But I'm tired of hearing how great the state is when it has many faults and is behind the times w/ lots of laws.
    The prohibition against open (and concealed) carry was a result of the Yankee Occupation after the War of Northern Aggression. The fact that you have always had open carry just proves it. We had it before the Yankee Occupation also.

    As far as whether PA has better gun laws than TX, according to Wiki, handgun sales between private individuals requires a background check. In Texas, it's a simple FTF transaction where you probably should check to see if the person is a Texas resident and is 18+.

    Don't know about the hunting laws in PA vs TX. The only thing I hunt these days is hogs and since they're considered a pest, you can hunt them day or night, with spot lights, over a baited field, from the air, fully-automatic weapons, basically any way you want to do it. The deer around here are just too damn tame to hunt. Hell, we've got them where they will actually use the crosswalks when they cross the streets in our neighborhoods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmort View Post
    Funny enough, CalIfornia has very reasonable knife laws
    If there was a folding sword and you could conceal it, you good.
    Want to roll around with a sword, a machete, spear, whatever, no problem.
    We get 4" folders here in Missouri
    When I visit Colorado for example, I break out the 3.5" max size folder.
    Knife laws are all over the place.
    When I was visiting the UK and Scotland awhile back, I learned that the folder that I always carry with me was illegal even though it wasn't very long (slightly less than 3"). They have rules against *any* lock blade knife. Not that it stopped me from carrying it.
    Last edited by NavyVet1959; 07-10-2017 at 11:10 PM.
    When you fill out your income tax forms at the end of the year, look and see how much money you have given the
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    Carrying whatever the Sam Hill you want to defend yourself with shouldn't have ever been allowed to become one of the Kings licenses,,,,,,

    I remember as a kid never feeling safer than the time we walked into a Huddle House type place in Arizona and some cat was setting there with one of Sam Colts finest and a Bowie. I knew that if **** went down, that dude was going to TCB.

    Like NV1959 says, when it comes to types and sizes of blades, don't ask, don't tell,,,,,,
    More "This is what happened when I,,,,," and less "What would happen if I,,,,"

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    I was kinda hopeful about the claymore mine , just so people understand the ( get off of my lawn ) sign .

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    I was think it was about claymore mines also. I would say now that will be good for the hog hunting.How many you can get and then clean up after if you like.
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    Awh, we could probably use claymore mines on hogs, but they would have to be registered with the ATF, so you're looking at $200 per shot. Kind of expensive ammo.

    I seem to remember them having something like a 16 meter danger zone *behind* them, so that would kind of take away the capability of using them as a personal defensive weapon for day to day use.
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    Ok I'm missing something was part of this thread based on a debate of what state gun laws were in the 1860's as compared to what they are now? North or South I'm pretty sure things have changed just a bit since then. And it might not be fair to ascribe these changes to either the administration of Abe Lincoln or Jeff Davis.


    And if your going to use mines on hogs they have to be designed to leave the hams and bacon undamaged.
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