I have both 686 and 568 bith shoot the less 358156 fine if you want something without the gas check.the lees 358125 RF is good .I have both Noe 360180 and 360160 and they both shoot well.And jusr to let you know the NOE 5 hole molds are a bit heavy for me.if this is something you are worried about get one of the 3 or 4 hole a little less stress on your hands.