Just thought I'd show a few pics for anyone interested in the original "old timers". This gun is made by the grand daddy of firearms making, John Manton. It is circa 1812. It's for sale on one of our Canadian gun forums but way too rich for my blood. But I'm amazed at the condition and craftsmanship of both the rifle and the case. Wouldn't it be great carrying this rifle afield!
That"s is a work of art !
A boy can dream........................................ That's nice!!!!!!!!!
it IS a beauty!
love that lock geometry! manton locks are typically really fast and sure fire.
I like how closing the frizzen appears to clear a space around the flash hole.
Is that a roller bearing on the frizzen spring? Also, is the pan one of the "waterproof" varieties I read about?
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Thank you for posting these photos !
That lock is well designed. Then the detailing of the hammer !
I wonder how long the "shoe" has been on the frizzen?
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That definitely comes under the heading of "a work of art". BP, thank you for posting the rifle....wow.
taco, yes sir, from what I understand that is Manton's "waterproof pan". I don't believe there's any question Manton took the flintlock to its epitome.
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Great lock!
The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
John Taylor - "African Rifles and Cartridges"
Forget everything you know about loading jacketed bullets. This is a whole new ball game!
The reputation of "London Made" firearms was built around the work of Manton, Egg and a few others.
Disclaimer: The above is not holy writ. It is just my opinion based on my experience and knowledge. Your mileage may vary.
Curious: what is its asking price tag?
Wow now that's a flintlock ! That flint is scraping from top to the bottom of that frizzen . Whatever that costs it probably cost more to have one made to the same level of craftsmanship today . Thanks for sharing
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$15,000.00 Canadian. That seems like a lot but from what I found searching the net the price is well in the ball park for what others have sold for.Originally Posted by OverMax
Actually, searching this morning, I found where this particular gun was sold from a dealer in England. It doesn't say what the sold price was in British pounds or how long ago it was sold. The seller in Canada who now has it for sale likely has a pretty penny invested in it, especially after paying necessary fees to get it here.
Bailles of London also used a very similar design.
The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
John Taylor - "African Rifles and Cartridges"
Forget everything you know about loading jacketed bullets. This is a whole new ball game!
Just trying out imgur since photobucket has gotten ridiculous. Seeing if the image/link worked.
http://imgur.com/a/EJ3Fz
Last edited by BPJONES; 07-10-2017 at 03:06 PM.
that's the imgur page link for your image, not the image itself.
go to imgur and look at the choices for posting your image and select the one that uses [IMG] before your image link and [/IMG] after yer image link. copy that link from imgur and then paste it into your post and it will look like this ..
Figured it out---thanks!
Last edited by BPJONES; 07-10-2017 at 05:01 PM.
Think I could admire this gun on a daily basis ,it keeps calling
Such a beauty !!! ..... My Manton double was unfortunately converted to percussion and then heavily used ( so, I also used it for hunting in the 1960's and 70's). Two questions to BPJONES that will help me with better understanding John Manton's work:
1. You indicate circa 1812 for this great gun, but don't list the serial number on the bottom of the barrels; can you estimate when my serial # 6249 was made?
2. Does the top of the barrels of the flint gun show the unique rectangular silver Manton hallmark inserts?
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