Looking for some info on reloading 12 gauge hulls - subsonic. Not for trap or skeet, but for hunting / self defense.
Are there any good sources out there? Only able to find trap / skeet load info.
What hull?
What powder?
Best weight of shot to use? ( 1 ounce - 1 1/2 ounce)
Wads?
THANKS!
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"...the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we desire will ruin us. This book is about the possibility that Huxley, not Orwell, was right.” -N.Postman
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"...the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we desire will ruin us. This book is about the possibility that Huxley, not Orwell, was right.” -N.Postman
Alliant has a number of 1100 fps 7/8 and 1 ounce twelve gauge loads with Alliant Extra-Lite powder.
Remember all powder company velocity data is from 30 inch industry test barrels. From shorter defensive shotgun barrels the loads will be slower.
http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloade...id=28&gauge=12
Just what I am looking for.
12 Gauge
Case: Wichester AA compression formed (Should be the same in the new Winchester case)
Primer: Win209 or Fiocchi 616
Wad: WAA12 (1-1/8th wad)
Powder: ADI AS30N/Hodgdons Clays
Shot: 1-1/4oz Lead Shot
11 grains = 851 fps @ 5970 psi
12 grains = 910 fps @ 6915 psi
13 grains = 944 fps @ 8610 psi
14 grains = 985 fps @ 9840 psi
Did you source this data through ADI (Austrailia) ?Originally Posted by wildphilhickup
Thread of links
Dude, this thread is way better info than tdoyka's youtube link threads.Thread of links
I've been contemplating a suppressed shotgun design for several years: Most of the suppressors for shotguns add quite a bit of length and weight to the gun and only works on single-barreled guns. I had an idea of modifying an ordinary double-barreled gun to make the suppressor integrated with the barrels and not increase the overall length. So far, the project had been put on hold due to lack of a suitable/sacrificable gun. Then, recently, I came across an old clunker of an Italian o/u which had seen much better days - a perfect gun for the project.
I'm happy to say the design works as planned. The gun is ugly as hell, but using dedicated subsonic shells it's a pleasure to shoot without any sort of hearing protection. Using normal velocity shells the report are still muffled, but noticeably louder. The payload doesn't seem to matter much as long as the velocity is kept below 1000 fps. I tried some 1-1/4 ounce loads over 14 grains Vectan AS and couldn't tell the difference from factory loaded 3/4 ounce subsonic loads. The gun has 3" chambers and I will try work up some heavier loads to see how things progress.
Pics to follow later...
Cap'n Morgan
That is AussieBlackDucks load as listed on Shotgunworld. He developed that load and had it tested. I've used it and like it a lot. Nice even patterns.
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=78722
As promised, a few pics of my shotgun suppressor project.
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The "can" is a piece of 2" aluminum tubing with a "lid" threaded on each end.
The working principle should be quite evident: pressure is bled into the can from a row of holes in the barrels. I had hoped the pressure would drop enough to make ordinary 1400 fps target shell subsonic, but even though the holes start some 10" from the chamber the speed is already too high for the optimal sound reduction. With special tailored loads it's remarkably quiet.
After a bit of "Tactical" matte black paint:
Cap'n Morgan
I wish I could have a toy like that but Canadian gun laws do not allow suppressors.
Bah!
I'm jealous.
Do you find any issues with gas seals being damaged by the holes?
Yeah, that's a great thing you can do that in Denmark. It's hard enough in the USA. Tons of bureaucratic non-sense involving full background checks, pictures, finger prints, passports, etc. not to mention the $200 extortion and up to a year waiting time, that's if the local sheriff signs off on it (who can refuse for no other reason than he doesn't like you).
700x isn't the absolute best powder for significantly reduced loads, but this one shoots well. The federal wads work well with buckshot.
12ga 2 3/4" Federal gold medal
Federal 209A
16 gr 700x
Federal 12S3 wad
1 1/8 oz lead shot
fold crimp
1,100 fps
7,900 psi
The main reason suppressors became legal in Denmark was a combination of EU labor protection laws, lobbying from hunter and shooting organisations - and the top of the police force (which had fought against suppressors tooth and nail) running out of valid arguments for the ban.
Suppressors must still be registered, but it is just a formality and free of any charge. I probably could get my suppressor registered, but I'm afraid heads would exploded if the authorities were to classify the design so I'm just pretending being a little dense if anyone ask...
Cap'n Morgan
Actually since the new rules July 2016 the Sheriff NO LONGER signs off... and he can not block you unless you have criminal record.. All you do now is send them a copy of the app
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After much experimenting, MY LOAD:
Case: Cheddite 12 Gauge, 2 3/4" 16mm - CLEAR hull
Primer: Cheddite 209
Wad: Alcan Air Wedge , 1/2" Feltan Blue Streak , .135 Nitro Card over shot, slug - ROLL CRIMP *Using a BPI Roll Crimper
Powder: Hodgdon CLAYS - 13.0 grains
Shot: Qty 12, #00 Buchshot or 1 1/4 oz Slug.
*Sounds like a 22 short.
* Nice patterns out to 25 yards with buckshot. Slugs are accurate out to 50 yards.
* Roll crimp gives a nice tight package. Feeds well in a pump shotgun.
* The finished overall length after roll crimp is 2 7/8"
quiet is one thing but I would suspect very little penetration in anything.
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The data says the load is 900+ fps. I would not stand in front of that, even at 100 yards.
When testing, a slug went through a 4x4 set back 25 yards.
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