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    I took your advice and training and it worked perfectly. Thanks!

    During 2016 I learned a lot about casting bullets, loading and shooting the .577NE and hunting cape buffalo with it.

    1. Thanks to you people helping me, I went from knowing nothing to making good hard cast bullets for my .577 NE.
    2. Ed Hubbel and I made a nice single shot .577NE rifle.
    3. In September 2016 I took the rifle and my cast bullets to South Africa and hunted three buffalos in the LowVeld near Kruger National Park. It was a great hunt, the rifle worked perfectly and the .585 hard cast bullets worked as well as any high-end solid bullet would, such as CEB or NF. The cast bullet would smash through the shoulder, tear straight through the heart and stop under the hide on the far side. Cast bullets are awesome!

    I am very grateful for all the generous and patient help that I received from you as I learned to cast bullets. My hunt was succesful and safe because of it. Also, I had a lot of satisfaction and fun. Thanks to you all!

    There is a short video of the hunt on YouTube. Just type "Brian hunts cape buffalo" in the YouTube search box. I hope you get a grin or two out of it. You will see that the country is very dry. There had been no rain to speak for one year.

    Also, I got my story of the hunt published in the current issue of The African Hunting Gazette.
    I have posted a copy of it here below. Enjoy.

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    South Africa: Year 2016

    NEVER MIND THE BULL
    For the female of the species is more deadly than the male. Kipling, 1911


    By Brian Gallup


    I was standing on the target range at Buffalo Land Safaris in the beautiful lowveld, near Kruger Park. My rifle was a .577 NE single shot that I recently built from an old 10 ga. shotgun. The bullets were my own 700-grain hard-cast solids. This was going to be an interesting Cape buffalo hunt.

    I had just met my two young professional hunters and I liked them. Kobus was stalky with broad shoulders and huge hands. He was pleasant and looked right at me when he spoke. He proved to be a serious hunter, but he could still laugh about things. Louis was lean and handsome, with a long white scar in his left eyebrow and a natural, wry grin. The grip of a stainless Colt 1911 showed out of an old leather holster on his hip. These guys were the real deal.
    Jock was our cameraman, and turned out to be a savvy bushman as well as an excellent videographer.

    I must have been nervous because I was talking a lot as we hung a fresh target on a backstop in front of an old termite mound. Louis walked back to the shooting bench, assuming that I would shoot from there, but I stopped at 40 paces and sheepishly opened the shooting sticks that I had brought from Canada.

    Nobody said much while the tracker, known as Lieutenant, politely took over the sticks. He was a bright young man, full of life, and he loved setting up those new Vanguard shooting sticks.

    Jock placed his camera tripod about five paces to my left, while Lieutenant stood at his official post on the right side of the shooting sticks. Kobus and Louis stood behind me and waited for me to stop talking and shoot.

    The sun was going to set directly behind the target in about half an hour. I dropped a .577 cartridge into the chamber and closed the barrel. But when I looked at the target through the scope, all I could see was glaring red sunlight.

    “Can’t see a thing!” I said. Kobus came over and stood beside the muzzle to block the sun.

    I looked through the scope again, and could just make out the bull’s eye well enough to shoot.

    “How’s that?” asked Kobus.

    “Perfect!”

    Then I realized that there were three men with no hearing protection, standing around the muzzle of my Nitro Express rifle.

    “This thing has a real loud...,” I started saying, but didn’t finish. It occurred to me that I was about to tell a seasoned PH that a .577 NE was noisy.

    I cocked the hammer, took a breath and squeezed the trigger until it fired. With the recoil and the muzzle blast of 116 grains of slow-burning N550 powder, I didn’t see much at first, just Jock and Lieutenant hopping around holding their ears, and a great cloud of dust rising from the termite mound.

    “Bull’s eye!” Louis shouted from behind me. I was relieved.

    “It works!” I chuckled to myself.



    It was eight the next morning when we left the Land Cruiser and walked another 500 metres further to the east bank of the Klaserie River. Louis said the water was so low with the drought that four resident crocodiles had just disappeared, but the trees along the riparian zone of the river were still green, and the low morning sun shone brightly through them. It was a beautiful place.


    During the Great Trek, this was a traditional hunting area for the Voortrekkers. They would have been carrying single-shot big bores and may have faced the last of the legendary Cape Lions right here. Some folks believe that not all the Cape Lions were killed off by the pioneers in the 1850s as reported in the history books. Oral history holds that a few of these magnificent beasts, with their jet-black manes, came north as far as the Klaserie River area and lived here in relative peace for at least another century.
    The last remaining specimen was an old male that the locals called “Grootpoot”. He, or his huge footprint, was seen near the Klaserie River area in the early 1980s.

    This was good country!


    We were looking for old Cape buffalo cows in an area that had become too dry to support them. For over a year the country had been in a bad drought and many animals were dying. I guess we were culling, but we never looked at it that way. I had hunted Cape buffalo bulls before, but never cows. Kobus reminded me to not underestimate cows.

    “They can be very protective and aggressive.” he said.

    We walked across the river, hardly getting our boots wet. Kobus and Louis gave me the palm-down hand sign to stay low while they glassed across a plain and into the bush on the far side. After a minute they nodded to each other and grinned at me, before leading us straight west across about 300 metres of open flat land that was scattered with a few acacia trees.

    There was no grass at all on the dry ground and our boots raised enough dust for us to read the wind. Louis, Kobus and Lieutenant watched the far bush line as we went. I was pretty excited!
    It was noisy going when we got into the thick sickle bush trees. This tree is considered an invasive weed and has sharp, five-centimetre, thorns that can puncture a tire. I later learned how Louis got that scar in his eyebrow chasing a poacher through this stuff. (The poacher got a hiding for it, too.)

    We worked our way around and under thorn branches for a while. Suddenly, Louis and Lieutenant froze in mid-step. Louis gave Kobus a hand signal, and Kobus handed it off to me, but I didn’t understand it. I just kept close.

    Louis and the tracker moved about 30 metres to the north where they disappeared into a trench-like ravine. Kobus quickly followed down the steep bank and then turned to help me slide in. We were now in a dry flood channel almost four metres deep and about six metres wide at the top. We could use it to sneak further west. The bottom of the trench was all loose stones and I tried to be quiet, but through my electric ear muffs I sounded like a gravel crusher.

    After about 100 metres we stopped and Louis peered over the edge of the south bank for a moment. He was grinning.

    “There is a small herd at about 150 metres. They are slowly moving away,” Louis indicated. “I don’t think they know we‘re here.” Kobus checked the wind and the two whispered something; it took all my strength not to ask a dumb question.

    “We will wait for the wind to change,” Kobus whispered.

    Louis found an easier place for me to climb out of the trench, and when the wind was right we went over the parapet and into more patches of sickle bush. Kobus thoughtfully pointed out a shallow cow track to show me that the herd was still moving slowly. He often did that kind of thing, and it meant a lot.

    In about half an hour we came to a wide open area. On the far side, we saw the buffalo. The herd that we were following must have joined another small herd; they had stopped traveling and were just milling around in the shade.

    With a gentle breeze beginning to swirl, getting close would be unlikely, no matter what direction we approached from.

    So, with Lieutenant in front, and the breeze in our face, we just started marching straight towards the herd in single file across the open ground. We kept going and the herd kept holding. It was just a matter of luck now. This was my first stalk on Cape buffalo in two years, and every step was a thriller.

    At about 80 metres from the herd, Kobus brought me forward to walk with the tracker. I took a couple of deep breaths and it made Louis smile. Finally, at close to 50 metres the cows noticed us, and Lieutenant quickly set up the shooting sticks and held them steady for me.

    Two bulls were curious and stepped toward us for another look, but the cows were moving out. My scope was turned down to 3x power, so I could see most of the herd through it.

    Quickly, Kobus pointed out a tall, old cow quartering towards me. I cocked the hammer, put the crosshairs on the spot that looked like a straight line to her heart, and squeezed off the shot.

    It looked good, but I wasn’t sure. The herd scattered and the old cow hobbled off into the bush, unable to put any weight on her right front leg. Kobus had his .458 Belgium Browning ready. He had to remind me to reload. We waited a couple of minutes. Both Kobus and Louis were looking through their binoculars.


    I was getting a little anxious and whispered, “What do you think?”

    “She’s down.” Kobus whispered back.

    We followed the jagged spoor of the wounded buffalo for about 30 metres, and there she was, under a thorn tree taking her final breath.
    I thanked Louis, Kobus and Lieutenant.

    Kobus and Lieutenant quietly said, “Good shot sir,” when we shook hands. I appreciated their reserved style; respectful to me and respectful to the animal.
    Louis had a smoke lit. He took a drag and said, “Knap gedaan.”
    I didn’t understand.
    “It’s something we say when someone does a good job. “Knap gedaan,” he repeated. “It’s Afrikaans for ‘well done’.”

    At the skinning house the men found my hard-cast .577 bullet. They were quite interested in its size and shape. The nose was just flattened a bit after smashing the cow’s shoulder, going through the bottom of the heart and stopping in a rib on the far side.

    “Knap gedaan,” I said to myself.

    On the third morning the sky was covered in low grey clouds and it smelt like rain. Beautiful rain! One shower and the land would be transformed.

    We drove out past the main camp, waving at the staff and pointing to the sky. They waved their hats back at us.
    Kobus and Louis had a new area in mind. We drove slowly northwest from the river into higher bench land until we came to a power line running north and south. It was a good place to stop and glass for buffalo. Jock did some videoing.

    Kobus said, “Mr Gallup, I must tell you about this power line.”

    He explained that we were standing at one of the few remaining reminders of a very tragic time in Mozambique’s history. In the mid-seventies the Cohora Bassa Power Dam was completed in northern Mozambique. Most of the electricity went to Johannesburg via this very power line which crossed through the northern end of the Kruger National Park.
    During the civil war in Mozambique in the eighties, thousands of people became refugees. They would set out on foot to follow this power line to safety and hope of better times.

    The tragic story goes that the Kruger Park lions got many of them before they ever got to South Africa. Sometimes rangers would go out and shoot a few lions, but it didn’t make much difference - there were lots of lions and lots of refugees.
    “Hard times,” Kobus said.
    After a long pause, “Now we shall go find some buffalo.”

    We walked northeast from there. I could see the line of green trees along the river in the distance, when we came across some fresh spoor. I only knew it was fresh because Kobus and Louis said so. “Lots of cows,” they said, and we followed the tracks north for about a kilometre. It was good walking. We passed two giraffes browsing in the sweet thorn trees and lots of blue wildebeest looking for grass. They were really thin.

    “They look like bicycles.” I whispered to Jock. He wasn’t amused and pointed to vultures feeding on a fresh carcass.
    That’s when we saw Louis stop in a crouch beside two thorn bushes. Jock quickly set his big camera on his shoulder and adjusted the viewfinder.

    I opened and closed the barrel quietly to make sure there was a round in the chamber. My scope was set at 2x power. I was good to go!

    Louis peered around the edge of the thorn bushes, then sank lower before turning to us. No grin this time, just a couple of low hand signals to Kobus and Lieutenant before he pointed to a spot on the ground about two metres beyond the edge of the thorn bush.

    Kobus signalled me forward, while Lieutenant took two more steps out into the open and gently set up the sticks. I could see some buffalo now. Louis was whispering into my electronic earmuffs. He was so close it was mostly static.

    “There is a small herd right on the other side of these bushes, maybe 30 metres. When you get to the sticks you will see three cows and a young, wild-eyed bull standing in front of that tree.”
    He pointed to the top of an acacia tree that we could see over the bush. It looked closer than 30 metres to me!

    “Take the big cow in the middle that’s standing sideways. Never mind the bull!”
    For some reason I was fiercely calm this time and ready for anything. I did as Louis said. There stood the three cows and the young bull on the edge of a small mixed herd. The bull was close and looking at me with his head up and his eyeballs rolled forward, like they do sometimes before they charge.

    I strained to ignore him and put the crosshairs in the right spot on the middle cow as she swung her head and turned half a step towards me. The .577NE bellowed and shoved me back, but I saw everything this time and it was in slow motion!

    Her shoulder muscles rippled with the impact of the 700-grain cast bullet at 1,800 fps, and she jerked up her right leg. I didn’t have to ask anyone about this shot. I reloaded as the herd scattered. The mean-looking young bull must have had enough because he was gone. We moved forward without waiting, and found the cow on the ground not far from where I hit her. Kobus asked me to finish her with a spine shot. I was wound up pretty tight, and the .577NE felt more like a .30-06.

    In less than half an hour the skinners came roaring up on a two-wheel-drive bakkie. They jumped off both sides of the box as soon as it stopped and went straight over to the buffalo.

    Being our second buffalo, their curiosity about the big .577 bullet was gaining momentum. All of them were talking at once as they crowded around the huge bullet hole in the cow’s shoulder. Some of them poked a finger or a thumb in it. I showed them a cartridge. They were fascinated, rolling it over in their fingers for a moment, then looking up at me with a kindred grin.

    The rifle was leaning up against a tree, and that was considered out of bounds. So I picked it up, checked it for empty in front of them, and handed it to a big, serious-looking guy they called Africa. They were pretty impressed with the 14 pound single shot. Each man would cradle it reverently for a moment, then pass it to the man beside him. It was the holy grail of smoke-poles, and they were holding it in their hands! Their talking never stopped, except for a good laugh here and there.

    I asked Louis if he thought I’d ever see my rifle again. He grinned, but he kept listening to the skinners.

    “They’ve named your rifle! Africa did; he gave it a sort of tribal name,” said Louis.
    They all went quiet at some signal, and Louis became the official spokesman.

    “They named it…Vat Nie Kak Nie,” Louis said with some amazement.

    “What does it mean?” I asked.

    “Well, it’s a…it’s a sort of compliment - in Afrikaans.” Louis was searching for the words.
    “It means, uh…uh…’Doesn’t Take Crap’. Yes: Vat Nie Kak Nie - Doesn’t Take ****!” he said louder.

    All the skinners, who were pretending they didn’t speak English, burst into laughter. Then we all did. What a morning!

    It never did rain that day. In fact, it wouldn’t rain for another month, and I wouldn’t be there to see it. I left that amazing place two days later.
    It was a wonderful hunt. The country, the animals, the people… everything.
    I’m going back to the lowveld as soon as I can.


    Retired in BC, Canada, Brian recalls that his first formal hunting trip was with his father in 1958, for pronghorn antelope in southern Alberta, Canada. He and his wife Sandy have lived and hunted in some pretty remote places, including the MacKenzie River Valley in Northern Canada. They now spend more time in South Africa. “We keep going back to hunt and explore. We have booked our next trip with our children and grandchildren.”

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    Wow! Doubt I'll ever get an experience to compare with that, but I do successfully hunt with cast bullets.

    Thanks for sharing this.

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    Great hunt and report, thanks.

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    Wow. what an outstanding hunt and post, WBG! Thanks for sharing it us. TreeTop
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    "An old 10 gauge"

    To a guy that hunted a couple of decades with an SB2 980 and is kind of an H&R junkie, seeing your rifle and reading about hunting on the continent, it's a bit more than that,,,,,,,,.

    Would really love to see more pics in your build thread!
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    Great piece of writing! Here is the link should anyone else care to watch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGj57ClaBrM
    Last edited by kobeinu; 06-20-2017 at 09:45 AM.

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    Thanks to all for your kind comments. That's very rewarding. I'm glad that you enjoyed it. That's the whole point.

    Hamish, Thanks for posting the photo. I don't have any "build" photos. Sorry. Can I answer any questions? The new barrel is married to the chamber end of the old barrel using the "barrel stub" or "mono block" process. Must be a SB2 frame and the 10 ga receiver takes a bit bigger diameter barrel. I am making another one up in 50-110 Win.I have some photos of a recovered cast bullet, etc. if some one would be interested in posting them for me. I am too dumb to do it!
    Ed Hubel, 585 HE, has some info on it. Also Ed Hubel recommended using VVN550 powder for it's flat/low pressure curve. It's slow burning powder with a great woosh of muzzle blast even with the 27 inch barrel. Cast bullet are about bhn 22. The straight, high butt stock is to help with the recoil. It comes straight back.

    Kobeinu, Thank you for posting the YouTube link. Knap Gedaan!

    Cheers, Brian

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    Great story. Thank you for sharing.
    Only left handed guns are interesting!

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    Brian,

    In your build thread: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...le-shot-577-NE

    Attachment 198000

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    I saw no mention of what the blued steel "finger rest" is for and if what we see in the pic is all there is to it. (At first glance I had thought it was part of an inner "socket" to mitigate stock stress.)

    I think the brass spacer is both very pleasing to the eye and probably a very good idea with the kind of recoil generated.

    And what is the dark wood that you used for the ends of the forearm?

    Just lovely. H&R should have been doing something similar long ago for the 12 and 20 ga. bull barrel slug guns as an upgrade.

    Thanks again for sharing with us!
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    Wonderful story Brian.....I was there standing beside you as I read your words. I too live in B.C. ( Nelson ) and have been casting for a couple of years now for my 35 Whelen 45-70 and 358 Win. My goal this year is to take my local game with cast.....310 grn 35 cal slugs in both 35's. Where do you call home?

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    35 Whelen Thanks for the generous comments. Nelson is a beautiful place. I live in Kamloops BC. ( brian@fascutcnc.com ) ( www.fastcutcnc.com ) Cast bullets are way under rated. I think an experienced caster can make cast bullet do what ever is needed.
    Please keep in touch. Brian

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    Hamish, Thanks for posting those. I forgot all about them.
    - Finger rest- Made from ebony. It was supposed to give me extra grip re. recoil. ( When I got back from Africa i made another buttstock that is more conventional. )
    - forened tip is ebony. "Nothins' too good for a cowboy."
    - Brass spacer is epoxied in for recoil as you said. Good eye!
    - The stock is cast off 1/4 inch. (Curves to the right at the butt.)
    -It weighed about 14 lbs when I took it to Africa. It now weighs about 12 lbs.
    - This makes people laugh; The receiver and barrel are painted with a rattle can of Krylon Dual flat back garden furniture paint. Tougher and last longer than modern blueing. looks like a high tech coating. (Heat the metal to about 150 F. before you spray it.) Next build I think I will powder coat it just for fun. Maybe green. chuckle. I know cape buffalo like green.

    I wish that I got into Handi Rifles long ago. They are very under rated. You can do most basic gunsmithing on them. triggers barrel fitting etc. ( you have to find a smith to do a barrel stub. There is a good one in the USA. I forgot his name. Just google " David barrel stub, Handi rifle, TC Encore Gunsmith."
    Yes, I think that H&R really were asleep at the switch and could have made some nifty rifles. People don't seem to realize that a Hand rifle is 5-6 inches shorter than a bolt gun. Now Henry USA make a similar single shot and it looks pretty good.
    Thanks for your post. Brian
    Last edited by WBG; 06-26-2017 at 06:16 PM.

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    Great reading, Thank you sooooo much
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    skeettx, Thank you. Brian

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    Outstanding hunt with a neat thumper!!!!!!!

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    Holy cow, it looks like that gun kicks just a bit, on both ends. Great video, a hunting trip to talk about for the rest of your life.

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    Great story.Thank you sir for posting.
    Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
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    Great adventure. What was the camp like?

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    Edward, Thank you!

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