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    POLL RNFP@2000fps@impact with deer,what alloy

    kindof a poll, if you have a 30-35cal rifle shooting standard RNFP boolits, and are hunting deer or hog, what alloy would you use considering the boolit will impact at somewhere close to 2000fps, say 1900-2100fps???
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    C.E. Harris wrote a series of articles in American Rifleman where he fired expansion tests in wet phone books and in a later article used the loads on deer. Very extensive. He used wheelweights + 2% tin in .30-30, .30-'06 and .300 Weatherby at velocities from 1800-2200 fps. Look through TAR bound library volumes from late 1970s to early 1980s.
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    Use my standard hunting alloy. typical 1 - 1 + 2% tin. As COWW - soft Pb + 2% tin. Of course the COWW are what you got and the soft I use is from SOWW or cable sheathing. Great boolits. Mostly I'm shooting them out of my SMLs at 2200 to 2600 mv. Mostly saboted bullets of 200 grains and .40 cal to 300 grains of .458 cal. Terminal performance is very good. 10
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    cool, anyone else?
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    sml? whats that? blank muzzleloader?
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    smokeless powderized muzzle loader
    yes, i said powderized.


    i like my 50/50+tin (ww/soft) but i'm shooting a bit slower than you in my .308 @ 1700fps
    expansion and retention are sweet
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    yep,i need a harder alloy, still experimenting but im real excited about 2 batches I made. were supposed to be lyman#2 +.5%copper, but what I thought was tin wasn't, so I am at 3.4 ish Sn , but I have 3lbs of tin on th way,to make it 5%Sn, then depending on expansion,and brittleness or lack of, I might add enough pure to drop the Sb and Sn to 4%, right now what I have is really hard, fairly tough, but sometimes the front 1/3 of the boolit sheds off and leave a real nice conical point shank. has anyone seen this? that's why I might add 1-1.5% pure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklahoma Rebel View Post
    sml? whats that? blank muzzleloader?
    Smokeless muzzleloader = Have 2 Savage ML2 and 3 custom guns off of Rem 700 and TC actions.
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    what alloy do you use?
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    I have seen many photo's posted in our hunting section of deer taken with 30-30 and the 50/50 mix COWW / plain lead with maybe 1% tin and the destruction was impressive . Very impressive!
    I've started using it for all my boolits .
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    yeah, that seems to be the go to alloy. I just wonder what velocity they are keeping to, I would guess 1800fps?
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    Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook #3 has an article on this very subject, using the 31141 bullet.

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    This works great for me, COWW base, and lead tip.Attachment 197984
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    I have recently come into a good stash of COWW. But for years I got by with range scrap, added 1% tin, and pulled the speed down into the 1600 fps range.

    All depends on what you need to do. Works fine for punching paper. Might have a bit more rainbow for hunting.

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    Range scrap and WW, 60/40, with a little solder each pot full has worked well for pretty much anything I've done under 2400 fps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hickok View Post
    This works great for me, COWW base, and lead tip.Attachment 197984
    Two part bullets.
    Yes, that is what I have done too. Works like a Nosler Partition.
    In the 35 Whelen, I shot 275gr to 2300fps. I used a 5% tin/pure lead nose though- on top of a WW base. You can heat treat this kind of bullet and only harden the base metal, leaving the soft nose - soft.

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    I have a 75/25 WW-1-20 . The 1/20 is from tamper seals and has copper from the seal wire at probably the tin saturation point . It makes about a 14 bhn water dropped bullet but at 1600 fps impact speeds a 200gr 30 cal spire point will become a .590-610 x .300 190-195gr ball in wet pack and leave a wound trail a lot like a 150gr Hornady SPBT at 2500 fps .

    I would expect similar performance in 35 cal at similar speeds . Good steel had a thread regarding the 358 Win with a gob of pictures from at least 1 deer and a pretty soft bullet without much meplat . The mess it made looked a lot like a 25-06' shoulder blade hit at 200 yd except that it was on the exit side .....

    A Colts 265 RNFP from a 452-255 Lee from 50/50 as above leaves a .600 hole in the shield of 135-165 lb boars on the exit side . Out to 50 yd with a 900-1000 fps MV .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chill Wills View Post
    Two part bullets.
    Yes, that is what I have done too. Works like a Nosler Partition.
    In the 35 Whelen, I shot 275gr to 2300fps. I used a 5% tin/pure lead nose though- on top of a WW base. You can heat treat this kind of bullet and only harden the base metal, leaving the soft nose - soft.

    Great elk load.
    Chill Wills, I make the lead nose section an easy way. I buy a can of .22 cal air rifle pellets. I then drop 4 of the .22 pellets into my .30 cal molds, dip the corner of the mold into the molten metal until the pellets melt. This forms my soft nose the same weight every time.

    Bigger caliber, more pellets. Pretty easy and uniform.
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    great job on the boolits hickock. I am pretty close to getting a cz550fs in 9.3X62 to use for hogs mainy, plus the yearly deer and hopefully elk and moose someday. the 286gr rnfp from accurate is the boolit that I am researching for. once I add 3 more lbs of tin I will have 200lbs of lyman#2 with about .4%copper, I think it would do ok for hogs as it is, but to get a bit more expansion without shearing I am going to add drain trap lead to it till it is 4%-4%- and keep the copper at between .2 and .5%. as it is right now going through a milk jug of water into a soft dirt berm the front 1/3 shears off, leaving the back2/3s with a conical nose!? it's srange and im not sure what process does this because they aren't hp's.
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    Thank you! The boolits have some of Smoke's clear pc on them.
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