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Thread: Realist range of Pistol shotshells ?

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    Realist range of Pistol shotshells ?

    What is the effective range on say small rodents or clay (trap) targets for 38/357 (6") ?

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    15ft +\- depending on what shot size and how you are loading them.

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    Handguns just don't have room for excess shot and powder. The FPS is low and distance is short.
    My experience is like jmorris, anything beyond 15' is iffy.
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    Using .308 brass cut down for the 45 acp loads in S&W Brazilian revolvers using .410 wads and 7.5 or 8 shot 15 ft for snakes and pidgeons in a hay barn 10-15 ft. Cut some the full length of the cylinder and shot crows at 30 ft while bushhogging pastures, would only wound them. These 45 acp loads feed and operate my 1911's very well. Would like to experiment using .357 max brass in security six, if had a shot wad that was available and easily obtained.

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    That's what I thought it would be. I'll give it a try with some 357's
    thanks

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    Slow twist .44-40 rifle using 1/3 oz. of No.8 shot and 5 grains of Bullseye in Federal 410SC shot cup, cut off flush to case mouth if Starline 5 in 1 Blank case, with Walters .36 card wad in end, roll crimped in RCBS .44 Game Getter Long Shot die kills rabbits at 25 ft. from Winchester '92, 15 ft. from Colt New Service and 50 feet from H&R cylinder bore .44/11mm (pre-.410) shotgun.

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    That's what I thought it would be. I'll give it a try with some 357's
    thanks
    I would like to tell you about that water buffalo I killed with a squirt gun but I'll need a few more drinks.

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    "I would like to tell you about that water buffalo I killed with a squirt gun but I'll need a few more drinks." jmorris

    Don't you mean I (the listener) will need a few more drinks?
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    All I can say about my personal real world experience, is that 357/38 ain't enough for Rats...[squirrels either]
    The 44/45 [not acp] is what I needed to Plant those larger Critters!!! I don't want to "roll em over" I want 'em "Tits Up"!!

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    Gave up on 38/357 pistol shot cartridges about 1975. Did manage to drag down a coupla starlings but everything else just laughed.
    These new Judge type revolvers in .410 might be worth a try?

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    Outpost75 group is exceptional at 25 feet but that is with custom made ammunition using all available space including cylinder.chamber space. You can maybe get that at 15 feet with CCI shot cups in a 44 or 45. With a 38/357 AND using 9 shot, it might look that good, might. Remember we are talking feet, not yards. Putting it another way, you get a close a possible or comfortable to a snake before you shoot it with a 38 shot load.

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    My 45colt will get them rolling at 12-15yds, but they don't always stay down but there's 5 more!

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    Here are typical patterns from .38 Special with home-made shotloads of No.8, at realistic "snake range"

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