just thought i would put that out there for him as in optionOriginally Posted by bubba.50
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just thought i would put that out there for him as in option
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Depending on how much your willing to spend. There are a few traditional rifle options available.
CVA Traditions Pedersoli and of course everybody's buddy here. >waksupi: a builder of custom rifles. Seen one or two of waksupi rifles over the years pictured here and there.>Gorgeous reliable & accurate shooters.
As for my advice on caliber for your son use.. Since mule deer are typically bigger and heavier in comparison to a white tail or black tail. 50 cal minimum (I) suggest.
While I get your point, and maybe more so with a newer shooter, a .50 cal with a ball is used to take elk by some keeping the range within 75 yds. The .45 is enough for a mule deer. Me personally I prefer a bit more. Extra never hurt anything (except for small game perhaps).
Oh, and my vote is also for the .50 cal.
GREAT ADVICE!!!!
Jim
The boy could handle a light 50 for sure, and when it comes time to go for elk.............. He will be comforable with what he has been using all along.
Great advice...EVERYONE! I really do appreciate the sharing of your expertise and experience. If anything else comes to mind, be sure to chime in. Really want to have a broad knowledge base as I start to hit the pawn shops, gun shows and gunbroker.
Jim
Look for a used CVA Bobcat in .50, a little lighter to carry around.
I have a lady friend who uses her .45 flinter for elk. As you say, just get in range.
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Ok just my opinion; I would not hunt any mule deer in Nevada with anything under 50 cal. Even a 50 round ball is iffy past seventy five yards unless you really stoke it up. Unless you have a spot with a blind where the deer come right up to you.
I took a nice sized one a couple of years ago at a hundred and sixty six yards. I hit him a little high in the shoulder, but missed the bone and took both lungs. Knocked him right off his feet, I thought great. Then he got up and ran over the ridge, he went another three hundred yards and finally bleed out. And that was with a 54 cal. 450 gr. Minie ball.
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I would suggest you find a good used 50 cal, the lightest you can find, cut off the barrel at twenty four, twenty six inches. Cut the stock off to fit him now with a thin rubber pad. Then work up a light round ball load. As he grows up work up a heaver load and add a thicker recoil pad. A 1 in 48 twist will shot light round ball loads OK and maxi’s even better when he can handle them. Just my 2 cents worth.
Also I’m just north of Reno, so if later on you want to take him out, I have a couple of 50’s we can let him try some light loads.
From what the many traditional forum hunters have said concerning the .50 cal ball is that it will most certainly give a complete passthrough on deer with a broadside shot easily at 125 yds with quick enough kills with proper shot placement.
Initially I was dumbstruck when I ran the numbers through a ballistics calculator for a ball at an average velocity (70-90 grn charge). What I "knew" of modern projectiles this ball wouldn't work well beyond 50 yds so I began asking a lot of questions of those who use it and this is what I got from far too many people. It's unclear what "stoked up" is.
There are also several guys using these .44 cal percussion revolvers with a ball with good results when using a more energetic powder on deer out to normal ranges (~25 yds). The velocity/energy levels are quite similar to a .50 cal ball out at 125 yds.
Like you I still think the .50 is better than the .45. More never hurts.
Look for a used T/C Seneca. Beautiful little rifle, but they're not made anymore.
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Saw a Bobcat today in great shape today at a Carson City pawn shop....for $199!!!! When I told the guy behind the counter that they sold for like $80 in '05, he said, "Things used to be cheap back then." So, I just bought this... http://www.gunbroker.com/item/633623785 If this happens to be too heavy for the boy, I will just use it myself.
Jim
that there is a 1st gen. renegade. most important thing you need to do once you get it, is to inspect the bore. look for black spotting in the bore. should be a mirror finish. and I would change the sights.... both front and back.
you got a good one there. the Renegade was my first ever muzzler & still my all time favorite. weight won't be too bad for the average youngster, recoil can be managed very well, and it can be loaded up or down for about anything up to elk or moose or even bears(though I'd have some sort of back-up if I was ever to go after a bear with a single-shot anything).
luck to you & the lad & have a good'en, bubba.
why not get a .45 barrel for the rifle he has already? the stock fits. a .45 prb will kill a deer easy even at 100 yds.
The rifle he has is a CVA Squirrel...is there a .45 barrel that drops into that stock????
Jim
don't believe there is but, I've been wrong before.
Could get one made the length and rifling of your choice. Would cost no more than a used low end rifle.
what is the barrel across the flats? I think it is 3/4. find a barrel and fit it to the stock.
Also remember a cap&ball revolver is not a muzzleloader and not legal in most states during the special muzzleloader season. I started both sons off with a 50 caliber using a patched Round Ball, I did take twenty plus Deer with a 45 caliber muzzleloader even tried the sabots with a 240 gr.
XPT 44caliber HP. But I've went back to a patched Round Ball, I Really like Black Powder in my muzzleloaders/but it's kinda each to their own as to what they use for powder
Btw if you go with a 45 caliber use fffg(3f) powder but in the 50's I use ffg(2f).good luck
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