How dangerous is antimony tin pewter and the like?

[runfiverun]

wanna read some hazards?
read about silicosis you get it from beach sand.
or read about iron poisoning.

I will take lead ingestion any day over either of those.

[Freightman]

Bought a new coffee pot "warning" California has determend that some parts of this may cause cancer" I think I will stay in Texas cause everything in California may cause "CANCER" sounds dangerous to me.

[mold maker]

Must be the poisonous gasses escaping from the San Andreas Fault that makes everything there cause cancer. They're the only ones with the fault and only they get cancer from even the air. It even causes mind altering to some as in LA and San Fran.

[Ballistics in Scotland]

I think it is pretty well certain that antimony is nowhere near as dangerous as arsenic, and tin not at all. The people who authorise 96% tin for plumbing and kitchenware aren't likely to have stuck their necks out.

Olivier le Daim, surgeon to King Louis XI, is sometimes thought to have hastened the sovereign's end by having him drink from an antimony cup, for its alleged health benefits. He was hanged immediately after the king's death, but I think that had more to do with being a self-aggrandising political dirty tricks man than with medical practice.

[woodbutcher]

Gee whiz.You can also die from over hydration from over use of plain ole H2O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
Leo

[midnight]

Someone mentioned inhaling dust from vibratory case polishers was dangerous. I don't know how dangerous it is but one good way to keep down some of the dust is to include a used drier sheet in the bowl. It sure seems to hold a lot of the dust. Just don't shake it when you remove it.

Bob

[WickedColt]

Lead is very dangerous, 158 grains of lead inserted into the human torso has been known to be fatal.

Really? I was reading up on some medical info concerning GS wounds and they indicated that sometimes the projectile is left in the person as long as it isn't causing them any harm because the human body encapsulates it in scar tissue. I was a bit surprised when I read it but I do not recall it mentioning grains or any weight of the bullets of any sort.

Ok...methinks I completely missed the joke hahaha

[NavyVet1959]

Really? I was reading up on some medical info concerning GS wounds and they indicated that sometimes the projectile is left in the person as long as it isn't causing them any harm because the human body encapsulates it in scar tissue. I was a bit surprised when I read it but I do not recall it mentioning grains or any weight of the bullets of any sort.

Ok...methinks I completely missed the joke hahaha

My personal experience was being told that as long as the bullet just went into the meat and didn't strike any blood vessels, going in to take it out would cause more damage than it did going in. They just left it there and said that it would probably eventually work its way through and could be easily removed from under the skin on the other side at that point.

"Getting shot does not make you a hero, it just makes you unlucky."

[WickedColt]

My personal experience was being told that as long as the bullet just went into the meat and didn't strike any blood vessels, going in to take it out would cause more damage than it did going in. They just left it there and said that it would probably eventually work its way through and could be easily removed from under the skin on the other side at that point.

"Getting shot does not make you a hero, it just makes you unlucky."

Yeah, that's what I got also but then I thought he might have been talking about a 158 grain bullet going over 2,000 ft/s haha.

[Ballistics in Scotland]

My personal experience was being told that as long as the bullet just went into the meat and didn't strike any blood vessels, going in to take it out would cause more damage than it did going in. They just left it there and said that it would probably eventually work its way through and could be easily removed from under the skin on the other side at that point.

"Getting shot does not make you a hero, it just makes you unlucky."

I recall reading in my grandfather's paper when I was about eight, of an old man who scratched at a sore on his neck, and picked out a Mauser bullet which the army doctor thought had exited forty years before. It was black but uncorroded. Surgeon-Colonel La Garde, of the Chicago stockyard trials, describes a US serviceman who lived and worked in the Manila post office for many years, after he left a Spanish Mauser bullet lodged at the back of his skull. It had entered the forehead, and probably travelled mostly between the cerebral hemispheres, but couldn't have avoided considerably brain damage.

He also illustrates with X-ray photographs how once that technology changed the priorities somewhat, he removed Minié bullets from several Civil War veterans. One man had one in a liquid-filled cyst in his largely immobilised hand, and used to enjoy getting on the nerve of fellow inmates in the servicemen's home by rattling it about. All this suggests that lead alone is much less dangerous than its salts. An exception, he says, is a bullet lodged in the interface of a joint. In addition to the other demerits of that situation, the thixotropic lubricating synovial fluid is good at leaching lead into the system.

[Geezer in NH]

dihydrogen monoxide kills more than lead every year including children in CA

[John Boy]

lead is very dangerous, 158 grains of lead inserted into the human torso has been known to be fatal

lmao!

[quail4jake]

This is a great thread. So much of what has been said is consistent with the literature in toxicology. Lead is very toxic in bioavailable forms like lead acetate (sugar of lead), tin is very safe and is not a xenotoxin, antimony is rarely on the radar since it is not bioavailable in any form but prolonged inhalation of SbO3 has caused pneumoconiosis. Be most concerned about Lead and arsenic and use good sense and precautions with all heavy metals and you won't go wrong. The concern about primer residue in the vibratory tumbler is valid and I never thought of it...

[MaryB]

30+ years repairing electronics and multiple times hold solder in my teeth because I needed both hands... lead levels have never risen above normal... Insurance required us to get tested for it at the casino... where I was more worried about the nickel and zinc dust from coins that formed toxic clouds when we blew out slot machines... We would tape off a section with plastic sheeting, put a huge hepa filter taped into one side with an air flap on th other to let air in. We used compressed nitrogen to blow the crud out of the slots. Crud being the above metals, human skin,hair, puke, blood, feces, bits of food(found 1/4 of an egg roll in a hopper one day...) any any other gross thing the human body can produce... we wore full respirators with air supply from outside the taped off area.

[NavyVet1959]

30+ years repairing electronics and multiple times hold solder in my teeth because I needed both hands... lead levels have never risen above normal... Insurance required us to get tested for it at the casino... where I was more worried about the nickel and zinc dust from coins that formed toxic clouds when we blew out slot machines... We would tape off a section with plastic sheeting, put a huge hepa filter taped into one side with an air flap on th other to let air in. We used compressed nitrogen to blow the crud out of the slots. Crud being the above metals, human skin,hair, puke, blood, feces, bits of food(found 1/4 of an egg roll in a hopper one day...) any any other gross thing the human body can produce... we wore full respirators with air supply from outside the taped off area.

And I thought that the stuff that collected below the keys in a keyboard was bad...

[MaryB]

Oh yeah the stuff was disgusting. We always laughed at the newbie techs who would come back into the shop with a wet butt from sitting on a stool an old lady peed on... they rapidly learned to carry paper towels and to test a stool with a towel held in pliers before sitting... I have stories that would make your stomach churn from what I have seen at the casino...

[Ballistics in Scotland]

Churchill's friend, Sir Desmond Morton, who was extremely important in divulging intelligence to Winston during Germany's rearmament, received a bullet in the heart in 1917. It was judged too dangerous to remove, either from the heart itself or parts immediately adjacent, and he was back in service as an aide de camp within the year. He used to walk across the fields to Winston's house at Chartwell when he had something to pass on, and lived until 1971.

In movies you know someone is going to be all right when they get the bullet out. I think the reason, particularly in pre-antibiotic times with dried animal emissions blowing in the wind, was that a bullet itself could be infective, but a piece of clothing usually was. Prudent people going to a battle or a duel boiled everything.

[mozeppa]

tell the kaliforians that the lead cause of death is breathing.

is there enough crayons to go around?

[woodbutcher]

Not meaning to be rude or disrespectful,but every body has a terminal illness.It`s called conseption.(sp?)
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
Leo