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    9.3x72r

    A fellow tried to trade me a Bruno Haeussner 9.3X72R single shot rifle today. Pretty little compact rifle . I just know nothing about it. Can't find any info on Google. Any help out there ?

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    This single shot must be a one off. I found drillings with 2 , 16ga barrels and the 9.3X72R. No single shots ?

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    i don't know about the 9.3x72r. it may have been a blackpowder cartridge.

    it was a .366" bullet. i've been looking at a husky that is 9.3x57.

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    At a wild guess it was made in Germany or Austria. If so you can date it fairly closely by the proof marks stamped into the metal.

    What kind of action did it have? Break open or falling block or other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mk42gunner View Post
    At a wild guess it was made in Germany or Austria. If so you can date it fairly closely by the proof marks stamped into the metal.

    What kind of action did it have? Break open or falling block or other?

    Robert
    It is a break open with set trigger.

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    The 9.3 X 72R is similar to our 38-55. A little longer case and a bit smaller diameter bullet of close to the same weight. Modern loads should run around 2000 fps with a 200 gr. bullet. There was 4 popular cartridges with that name so if it is basically pre-WWI you'll have to find out which one you have, if purchased or traded for. It was originally a BP cartridge and survived the transition even to today. I'm fairly certain that right after WWI most of the German cartridges were "Normalised". Surprisingly to us, often .358 bullets can be used with good results in older rifles of 9.3 caliber. Many were very tightly bored and chambered. I have two that way.

    Without seeing the rifle in person it's near impossible to know who actually made it. Even then it might never be known. Bruno Haeussner may have made it and maybe not. He could have been the retailer and ordered it "from the trade" in Suhl or Zella-Mehlis and had his name put on it.. You mention break open, was it a top lever, Jones underlever, Roux or Lefaucheux action? Whichever one it is might also help date it. Ordinarily the old German rifles are exceptional quality.

    I also have a Husky in 9.3 X 57, their Model 46 on the '96 action. Good rifle, really good and fun cartridge to play with. If you're thinking cast bullets, mine had a fairly tight throat and I had to thin the case necks. Not much and it shoots cast very well. It's just another step and something to perhaps be aware of. If I remember correctly the tight throat is not an uncommon thing with the Husky's of that era.
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    I'm kind of a sucker for oddball guns; so if there was ammo with it and it was cheap enough, I'd try it.

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    The lever to open the action is under the trigger guard.

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    The other question is the availablility of brass or how easily it is made? If there were four 9.3x72R cartridges are they basically similar or very different? It is a cut down 9.3x74R or a completely different case?

    A chamber cast is probably in order if he has no ammo for it.
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    Just buy privy ammo it is good ammo and good brass. Grafs is currently out of stock on the brass but they can sell Hornady brass for twice the price. Privi ammo is available several places including grafs and midway.

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    I doubt that you will find much on the 9.3X72r as it is considered a very old black powder round, and is sometimes seen in old drillings of German or Austrian origin.

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    I see my head is well up kazoo.....Obviously, I am fixated on the 9.3X74R.....I am sorry to waste everyone's time. I know nothing about the 9.3X72R


    9.3X72R is still current. Blaser and others are making O/U and side by sides. The ammo is freely available. Hornady and others give reloading info.
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    Well, there is untold amounts of information on the 9.3 X 72R available if you look only a little. Rather than sometimes seen in old drillings and combination guns it is often seen in them. It was an exceedingly popular cartridge in Germany and for good reason, it's a good cartridge. It was originally a BP cartridge but as I mentioned previously it successfully transitioned to smokeless and is still available. Buffalo Arms and some others usually have the brass. Prvi and Sellior & Belloit still make loaded ammo. Load data is abundant. It is not remotely similar to the 9.3 X 74R. It is shorter, obviously, and of a smaller rim and body diameter. The ballistics of the two are decidedly different. The 9.3 X 74R is in the same class as the 375 H&H while the 9.3 X 72R is similar to our 38-55.

    As the operating lever is beneath the trigger guard it would be commonly known as a Roux action and more than likely has a dolls head extension that reaches back into the standing breech. More than strong enough for the 9.3 X 72R, if on face. I seriously doubt the rifle is a "one off" by anyone, especially on a Roux action and in that cartridge. You will need to make a chamber cast to know which variation you have. Odds are high that modern dies will work for you as the "Normalised" case was intended to work in all 9.3 X 72R chambers save the 9.3 X 72R Sauer & Sohn which was a bottleneck case. Even if it is the Sauer & Sohn case dies are available from CH-4D and data is available.

    If you like the piece, availability of data, the means to form the case, bullet molds or perhaps even factory ammo are readily at hand so not being able to shoot it isn't a concern. I love to seek out and put back to work old German firearms in obscure cartridges and have worked up brass and loads for several that aren't listed in any book, anywhere, on 3 continents. Anything in condition to shoot can be made to shoot again. The 9.3 X 72R and the 8.15 X 46R are two of the easiest. Help with anything you'd want to do with that cartridge is available on other sites and the guys are most gracious with their knowledge and experience, same as this board. Only difference seems to be the experience with this fine, old cartridge and, for good reason. While popular in Europe from its inception until even today it was little known on our shores until after WWII when all the trophy's came home with returning GI's. Back then one didn't run down to the local sporting goods store and buy a box of 9.3 X 72R ammo, still don't.
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    Tenbender,

    From your description, it sounds like you've been offered a European "Stalking Rifle" that was likely made 20 years +/- 1900. = About a century plus ago, these compact/light little rifles were quite popular for hunting game up to & including deer. Some of those little single-shot rifles were VERY fine quality with extensive engraving & some were inlaid with silver and/or gold.
    (As it has already been said, the 9.3x72R is about the same power as a .38-55WCF & is suitable for the same sized game.)

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    The rifle was made in Czechoslovakia by BRNO, not Bruno (which is how BRNO is pronounced), which company is/was part of CZ.


    "Haeussner" is just a name the BRNO factory applied to their single-shot rifles, like some US gun companies use model names like "Frontier" or "Scout", etc.


    The DOM can usually be determined by reading the proof mark codes.

    There are multiple examples of Czech proofmark dates online & in the back of the BBGV (Blue Book of Gun Values)


    High quality (which a BRNO is) break-open single-shot rifles have been popular in Europe for well over 100 years, and if in good shape is well worth acquiring.



    The 9.3x72R is a rimmed cartridge (for break-open firearms) that uses .364"/.366" boolits.

    Commercial Sellier & Bellot ammunition is readily available online, as are loading dies/etc - just google "9.3x72R cartridge" to find out all you need to know.




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    Forgive my horrible German but I think that type of rifle is known as a Kupelaff....

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    HappyWarrior,

    IF he/you doesn't/don't buy it, I'll take third refusal on it.

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    It's "kiplauf" and from what I understand that means a top lever rifle. From the description this one is on a Roux action, the operating lever being beneath the trigger guard. As far as I know those fell into the generic term of stalking rifle. It's entirely possible it is on the Ideal action which is also operated by an underlever and is far stronger than the Roux. Frank deHaas considered the Ideal the best single shot action ever made but he called it by the name on the barrel of his example and I can't remember who that was. I am fortunate to have a Bartles stalking rifle on an Ideal action in 8.15 X 46R and I can't disagree with Mr. DeHaas.

    I expressed an interest in the rifle in a PM on 4-22-17 and was advised the gentleman was not quite ready to sell it.
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    Boy did I stick my foot in my mouth....up to my thigh. I had forgotten the rifle was a break open which eliminates the Ideal as it is a falling block. Most likely a Roux. Sorry 'bout that.
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