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Thread: Analysis of a hand loaded 45-70 cartridge dating back to 1955

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    Analysis of a hand loaded 45-70 cartridge dating back to 1955

    Fun topic I wanted to write about, and how I got sucked into BPCR.

    This is about a man I used to discuss the Korean War at length with while we were blessed with his present on this earth. Let’s call him Mike for this discussion.

    Mike was a Infantryman in the Army during the Korean War. A vet shot in the back during the retrea...errrrr, strategic fall back of the Chosen Reservoir around December of 1950 in North Korea. He received what the medics called a “Lucky” shot, through the back, between two ribs, and exit out the chest. The result was two holes and a punctured lung. No bone fragmentation that could have proven fatal. His son said this:
    "Dad was shot through his lung cavity missing his lung as the shot went through him during an exhale otherwise he probably would have drown in the blood from his lungs bleeding.In his back and out his shoulder...armour piercing round."

    The only handicap was a shortened tendon and he couldn't hold his arm above his head tight up to his ear...almost but no quite......Disability check was like $75. that was the same as their house payment at the time. North Koren helped to pay for my parents house dad used to joke ...LoL"[/i]
    The war was over for Mike. He returned to Tacoma WA to become a very successful Wood Shop teacher for the Tacoma school district for over 30 years.

    Upon return to Tacoma once he healed, Mike and his brother purchased two Springfield Trapdoors from a Mil Surp store in Tacoma near the Ft. Lewis base. Mike maintained possession of his trapdoor until his death in the 21st century however his brother’s was stolen from his home.
    My good friend had his father’s rifle properly stored in a safe for years. He said his dad was a reloader and caster back in the day. They shot muzzleloaders , BPCR and pistols as sport.

    I was privileged to pay for and accept Mike’s rifle from my good friend recently when he moved to Oz in 2013. The rifle was in beautiful condition and Keith (Trapdoor Keith when he was alive) gave me extensive history on the firearm saying it came from the Oregon National Guard(1894) and declared surplus sometime after that. How accurate Keith's information, I do not know. But it was part of the story I did not know.

    I decided to pull apart one of the bullets his father made that came with this aquisition. Best I can tell, sometime between 1951 and 1965 these bullets were made when he was actively reloading/casting and shooting. He had at least 80 rounds like this.

    The first thing I noticed was a fine thin film of lacquer (assumed) peeling off these primer. The winchester brass , well, I'm unsure of the date but it is in great shape. I do not know the year but I would guess it's from between 1925 and 1960.


    The 500 grain bullet I pulled apart. (which weighed 525 gr)


    I know that Mike used this powder back in his day as it came with the rifle and bullets. Matter of fact, I tested this powder and it was fit for shooting.


    Photo of the powder after pulling the bullet. Not much crushing, in very good shape.



    Photo of the bullet, and lube, still in tact, if not darked by the ages.


    The bullet weighed in at 523 gr.


    A modern day bullet by Dan the Bullet Man in 500 gr, weighs in at 528 gr. For the record, my 500 gr Lyman mold (457125) casts at 510 grs with 20-1.


    3 bullets. Top is topic bullet. Middle is Bull Shop bullet. Bottom is my cast bullet (waiting on SPG lube in the mail!)


    And his two bullet types, as they were.


    These are my test bullets (Both Lyman molds) I am testing with others in various crimp/BP/Smokeless configurations.




    Comments welcome! Fun tearing this old stuff down.
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    Mike himself, doing what he loved to do! Teach woodworking!



    Mike's rifle (Which I am in possession of)





    I think somewhere up there, he's looking down and smiling at me. I feel that spirit!

    Hi son said:
    "The only handicap was a shortened tendon and he couldn't hold his arm above his head tight up to his ear...almost but no quite......Disability check was like $75. that was the same as their house payment at the time. North Koren helped to pay for my parents house dad used to joke ...LoL"
    Last edited by Big Mak; 03-01-2017 at 11:06 PM.

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    That rifle and accessories all look to be very nice.
    Great story to go with it too.
    Enjoy the rifle.
    I only wish I could get more people interested in them in my area.
    It's almost all rat-a-tat-tat here.
    Chill Wills

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    I hear ya Chill, same in WA state. I doubt there will be any Mattel plastic guns at the range 136 years from now. (I do enjoy my AR time with my sons, but it's just not the same romance as it is with old iron and wood!)

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    Cool story, thanks for the pics and for sharing.

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    Enjoyed the tale. Good for you.

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    Good story and photos. That rifle is in nice shape. Don't worry too much about the "rat-a-tat" group. Just hit one of their metallic gongs with that .45-70, and watch their mouths drop. Ping, ping, WHANG!!!

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    Done that! LOL! I always make sure I am upwind of the benches too.

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    The one first time I took my father's .45-70 to the range I had a great experience. Several fathers and sons were there. AR's, bolt actions and .22 rimfires. Lots of pings off of the steel targets. I took aim. Squeezed the trigger. A satisfying "boom" was heard, followed by a load "whang". When the smoke cleared a young man squealed, "he knocked his target over". The range master stared over at me. I said "Sorry about that". I want to think I made a few converts that day.

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    Some things there is simply no substitute for....
    "In general, the art of government is to take as much money as possible from one class of citizens and give it to another class of citizens" Voltaire'

    The common virtue of capitalism is the sharing of equal opportunity. The common vice of socialism is the equal sharing of misery

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    What do you think the bullet lube is? Getting an analysis of that old bullet lube would be great as it appears to be in perfect condition, not dried out at all.

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    It's probably that black Ideal lubricant that used to be the go-to lube before the NRA experiments with Alox and beeswax.

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    Haven't a clue on the lube!
    I'll pull another bullet tonight, I forgot to weigh the charge. No doubt he reloaded by volume, and I noticed no wad!

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    Hey Big Mak and Sharps.. I didn't know you guys were here. Howdy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundguy View Post
    Hey Big Mak and Sharps.. I didn't know you guys were here. Howdy!
    Howdy! Yeah, Sharps told me about this place. I'm a noooooobie!

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    Hi Mak,

    I have a Marlin GG, a Winchester 1886, and a Shiloh Sharps in 45-70. Now, thanks to you I will be looking for Trapdoor. Oh, and lots more BP lol
    Some cause happiness wherever they go, others whenever they go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhenry57 View Post
    Hi Mak,

    I have a Marlin GG, a Winchester 1886, and a Shiloh Sharps in 45-70. Now, thanks to you I will be looking for Trapdoor. Oh, and lots more BP lol
    Don't blame me!

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    Great story and write up . . . and a nice piece of history! Thanks for sharing - very interesting!

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    Now Mak, someone has to step up and accept responsibility.....

    Soundguy, it's a good site. The volume of knowledge is....impressive, to be conservative.
    "In general, the art of government is to take as much money as possible from one class of citizens and give it to another class of citizens" Voltaire'

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    Love the story! I always have hoped somebody that appreciates guns and their history will get my guns one day. My girls, I hope, will marry a fellow who gives a damn. We are only temporary caretakers after all.....

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