Inline FabricationRotoMetals2StainLess Steel MediaTitan Reloading
ADvertise hereGraf & SonsLee Precision

Results 1 to 20 of 20

Thread: River Valley Ordnance .30 Cal. Carbine Powder

  1. #1
    Boolit Mold
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    NorthEast NY State
    Posts
    9

    River Valley Ordnance .30 Cal. Carbine Powder

    I bought a 8 lb. "clorox bottle" of River Valley Ordnance .30 Cal. M1 Carbine gunpowder at a gunshow 2 weeks ago for $45.00. The only info I got with it is "Carbine Powder WC820 - similar to 2400 in .44 Mag". Has anyone have any experience with this powder? I want to use it in M1 Carbine [long gun], .41Mag & .44 Mag. pistol.

  2. #2
    Boolit Mold
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Posts
    15
    If this powder is indeed WC820, and lot number unknown, use Accurate Arms #9 data. Begin with starting loads, and work from there.

  3. #3
    Boolit Master 308Jeff's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Location
    Tempe, AZ
    Posts
    1,322
    $45.00? That's awesome!

  4. #4
    Boolit Master
    runfiverun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    soda springs Id.
    Posts
    27,801
    #9 is just a bit faster than 2400.
    I'd use the AA-#9 data to start out.
    it's all an educated guess,,,, till the trigger is pulled.

    this opinion brought to you by mister low-tech solution..

  5. #5
    Boolit Mold
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    NorthEast NY State
    Posts
    9
    I should add - the seller had 2 clorox bottles still for sale late Saturday afternoon at the gunshow. 1 jug of carbine powder and 1 jug of .30-06 powder. I first bought a 8lb clorox bottle of River Valley Ordnance "Surplus Powder for .30-06" Lot # 47287 for $50 on Saturday. I was thinking later that night - Boy was I a Dummy! I could use the .30 Carbine powder in my magnum pistols!! I scooted over to the seller early Sunday and grabbed the .30 Carbine powder. Now I have enough powder for 2,664 .44 Magnum reloads and 928 .30-06 reloads. [that is - if I don't spill much !!]

  6. #6
    Boolit Man fivefang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Location
    Nye County
    Posts
    98
    WC 820 is a great powder for the.44 mag., just be sure not to use reduced loads!!! secondary explosions have happened, if you cannot tolerate a minimum of 21.0gr. with a 215gr.gc. bullet, trade it or sell it, I have used it for over 20yrs. Fivefang

  7. #7
    Boolit Master


    tomme boy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Clinton, Iowa
    Posts
    3,991
    I thought the surplus was H110 or 296 for the carbine??? Or is my memory shot as my back?

  8. #8
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Arkansas
    Posts
    1,428
    Quote Originally Posted by tomme boy View Post
    I thought the surplus was H110 or 296 for the carbine??? Or is my memory shot as my back?
    There was some with that burn rate, bunt most is AA9 burn rate

  9. #9
    Boolit Master

    RayinNH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    NH
    Posts
    2,324
    If full snort .44 mag. loads get tedious, 12 grains in .44 Special cases with a 240-250 grain boolit are accurate and pleasant to shoot.
    Proud member in the basket of deplorables.

    I've got the itch, but don't got the scratch.




  10. #10
    Boolit Master






    Lloyd Smale's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    munising Michigan
    Posts
    12,866
    my hands down favorite magnum load handgun powder. You stole it at that price. I would run not walk back there and buy that other jug.
    Soldier of God, sixgun junky, Retired electrical lineman. My office was a 100 feet in the air, closer to God the better

  11. #11
    Boolit Master
    Elkins45's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Northern KY
    Posts
    1,886
    Surplus Powder for .30-06"
    I have about 4 pounds of this left from the 16 I bought in 1992. I am very, very stingy in its use. I simply have never found a more accurate powder for 270 with 130 grain bullets. It's essentially H4831, and if you got a full jug for $50 it was a steal!

    It will be a sad day when I finally run out, and RVOW is long since defunct.
    NRA Endowment Member

    Just because a handful of people on the Internet share an opinion doesn't prove it is correct.

  12. #12
    Super Moderator




    Buckshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    So. California
    Posts
    11,531
    Quote Originally Posted by pan957 View Post
    1 jug of .30-06 powder. I first bought a 8lb clorox bottle of River Valley Ordnance "Surplus Powder for .30-06" Lot # 47287 for $50 on Saturday.
    I still have some WC852 powder I bought from Jeff Bartlett in the late 90's that has that lot number. Did they have any "Use Like" info with it, and is it a ball powder?

    ..............Buckshot
    Father Grand Caster watches over you my brother. Go now and pour yourself a hot one. May the Sacred Silver Stream be with you always

    Proud former Shooters.Com Cast Bullet alumnus and plank owner.

    "The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."

    Shrink the State End the Fed Balance the budget Make a profit Leave an inheritance

  13. #13
    Boolit Master
    runfiverun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    soda springs Id.
    Posts
    27,801
    Rick I thought that stuff was 'like' 4831.
    I always thought it was Accurates [western back then I guess] 3100 in 'commercial-government' form.
    it's all an educated guess,,,, till the trigger is pulled.

    this opinion brought to you by mister low-tech solution..

  14. #14
    Boolit Master
    swheeler's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Montana
    Posts
    4,208
    Quote Originally Posted by pan957 View Post
    I should add - the seller had 2 clorox bottles still for sale late Saturday afternoon at the gunshow. 1 jug of carbine powder and 1 jug of .30-06 powder. I first bought a 8lb clorox bottle of River Valley Ordnance "Surplus Powder for .30-06" Lot # 47287 for $50 on Saturday. I was thinking later that night - Boy was I a Dummy! I could use the .30 Carbine powder in my magnum pistols!! I scooted over to the seller early Sunday and grabbed the .30 Carbine powder. Now I have enough powder for 2,664 .44 Magnum reloads and 928 .30-06 reloads. [that is - if I don't spill much !!]
    That WC852 "slow lot" will come in handy and you paid just what it was going for in mid 1990's. Lot BAJ 47287 was 4831 speed and marketed by Hodgdon as H450 many years earlier

    think 785 Winchester
    Last edited by swheeler; 02-22-2017 at 01:51 AM.
    Hell, I was there!

  15. #15
    Boolit Master
    runfiverun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    soda springs Id.
    Posts
    27,801
    I used rl-19 data for the H-450 I have.
    in some cases it was more like fill it up to where the base of the bullet will be.
    it's fluffy stuff for a ball powder.
    it's all an educated guess,,,, till the trigger is pulled.

    this opinion brought to you by mister low-tech solution..

  16. #16
    Super Moderator




    Buckshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    So. California
    Posts
    11,531
    Quote Originally Posted by swheeler View Post
    That WC852 "slow lot" will come in handy and you paid just what it was going for in mid 1990's. Lot BAJ 47287 was 4831 speed and marketed by Hodgdon as H450 many years earlier

    think 785 Winchester
    ...............The slow lot of WC852 was a wondrous powder I have maybe 2 lbs left. No bad habits and very benign stuff. I was using it to try and reach 2300 fps with a 240gr cast slug in a 24" barreled 8x57 Turk Mauser. Each charge increase would net right around 50 fps velocity increase, right up to the point where the GC was slightly compressing the powder (and I DID get that 2300 fps speed too ) Also a great heavy slug powder in the 7x57 and 6.5x55 too.

    .............Buckshot
    Father Grand Caster watches over you my brother. Go now and pour yourself a hot one. May the Sacred Silver Stream be with you always

    Proud former Shooters.Com Cast Bullet alumnus and plank owner.

    "The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."

    Shrink the State End the Fed Balance the budget Make a profit Leave an inheritance

  17. #17
    Boolit Master
    Elkins45's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Northern KY
    Posts
    1,886
    This was the info sheet that came with my two jugs of "30-06 powder." I taped it to the jug so I wouldn't lose it.

    NRA Endowment Member

    Just because a handful of people on the Internet share an opinion doesn't prove it is correct.

  18. #18
    Boolit Master Maven's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    4,302
    I had the same powder as Elkins, but found it wasn't well suited to CB loads. OTOH, it was superbly accurate with various jacketed bullets in the .243Win. -> 8 x 57mm Mau. In fact, the best group I ever got from my Ruger #1 (26" bbl.) was with a scoop of "Surplus .30-06" (~42gr.) + Hornady's 87gr. BTHP loaded and resized wi. a Lee Loader...at the range! Primers were WLR and the group (witnessed) was 10 in a U.S. nickel @ 100 yd. from a rest, of course.

  19. #19
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    south western pennsylvina
    Posts
    3,166
    I have used a lot of WC 820 over the past 30 years still have about 20lb left, , works just as good as 296 & H110 with equal velocity & accuracy . my lots are a little slower than #9 but faster than 296/H110.
    I have used it alot in , 30/20 , 357 mag, 44 mag & 454 casull and some in 22 hornet , 30 carbine & 38 super. " Use mag primers "

  20. #20
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Laramie, WY
    Posts
    378
    I've got about 32 pounds left of the WC820. Turns out that, at least with my lot, 14.5 grains and a standard primer give me 1970 fps with the standard carbine 110-gr bullet. So, according to the books, it's just a tiny bit slower than H110/296.

    If I ever get back to shooting revolvers, I'll use it for .44 Mag and .357 Mag.

    And, yes, at that price, you stole it.

    Cheers,
    Richard

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check