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  • * I follow PC Mfgr's directions for temp. & time.

    169 40.05%
  • * I pre-heat the oven

    293 69.43%
  • * I don't preheat the oven

    96 22.75%
  • * I bake longer than recommended time

    91 21.56%
  • * I bake shorter than recommended time

    26 6.16%
  • * I use higher temp. than recommended

    29 6.87%
  • * I use lower temp. than recommended

    23 5.45%
  • * I have verified my oven's temperature w/separate thermometer

    245 58.06%
  • * I use a PID Controller on my oven

    29 6.87%
  • * I use a convection oven

    171 40.52%
  • * I use a toaster oven

    230 54.50%
  • * I use a full size kitchen oven

    34 8.06%
  • * I use a recommended #5 tub

    260 61.61%
  • * I don't use #5 tub but I use a tub

    48 11.37%
  • * I ESPC with the casts on a jig

    25 5.92%
  • * I ESPC w/out a jig

    30 7.11%
  • * I put them in a container, place it in the vibratory cleaner bowl...let it shake them

    22 5.21%
  • * I put them in a rock polisher type drum and coat them

    6 1.42%
  • * I shake them less than a minute

    175 41.47%
  • * I shake them more than a minute

    153 36.26%
  • * I slurry coat

    4 0.95%
  • * I use recommended Black air-soft BB's

    183 43.36%
  • * I use any color BB's

    67 15.88%
  • * I don't use BB's

    112 26.54%
  • * I stand casts individually to bake

    256 60.66%
  • * I use a jig and bake

    26 6.16%
  • * I dump and bake

    94 22.27%
  • * I shake/tap off excess PC

    251 59.48%
  • * I don't shake/tap off excess PC

    38 9.00%
  • * I bake on non-stick Aluminum foil

    161 38.15%
  • * I bake on Parchment

    101 23.93%
  • * I bake on silicone mat

    83 19.67%
  • * I dump and bake on wire or mat and oven cool

    11 2.61%
  • * I dump and bake on wire or mat and air cool

    62 14.69%
  • * I dump and bake on wire or mat and water drop

    38 9.00%
  • * I stand or jig and bake and oven cool

    22 5.21%
  • * I stand or jig and bake and air cool

    120 28.44%
  • * I stand or jig and bake and water drop

    35 8.29%
  • * I use Harbor Freight PC

    157 37.20%
  • * I don't use Harbor Freight PC

    98 23.22%
  • * I use Smokes PC

    182 43.13%
  • * I use Powder by the Pound PC

    48 11.37%
  • * I use Eastwood PC

    73 17.30%
  • * I use Prismatic PC

    25 5.92%
  • * I use Sherman Williams PC

    6 1.42%
  • * I use ___________________PC (give a name of your brand in comments below)

    25 5.92%
  • * I use hi-tec or other than PC coating

    25 5.92%
  • * I get good coverage in hi-humidity

    86 20.38%
  • * I don't coat in high-humidity

    63 14.93%
  • * I get good coverage only in low-humidity

    37 8.77%
  • * I get good coverage rain or shine makes no difference

    164 38.86%
  • * I am satisfied with my coating results

    324 76.78%
  • * I am not satisfied with my coating results

    44 10.43%
  • * I want perfect looking coatings

    140 33.18%
  • * I don't care about perfect, I want quantity

    102 24.17%
  • * I put more effort into coating high velocity casts than lo-vel pistol casts

    51 12.09%
  • * I treat them all the same...hi or lo velocity

    147 34.83%
  • * I PC only the drive bands of my cast

    3 0.71%
  • * I gas check before I PC

    68 16.11%
  • * I gas check after I PC

    105 24.88%
  • * I leave the base of the cast bare of PC

    38 9.00%
  • * I coat the base of my casts with PC

    191 45.26%
  • * I have trouble with the PC flashing, making a skirt at the base

    23 5.45%
  • * I PC as it is my only option

    31 7.35%
  • * I PC as choice over a Lube-sizer

    150 35.55%
  • * I still do both

    102 24.17%
  • * I lube size or tumble or pan lube, to heck with this PC business...gerrrrr!

    7 1.66%
  • * I cast, size, PC and size again before loading

    74 17.54%
  • * I cast, PC and size before loading

    290 68.72%
  • * I cast, size and PC before loading

    15 3.55%
  • * I cast, PC and don't size before loading

    25 5.92%
  • * I nose size also

    18 4.27%
  • * After PC I wait some time before sizing

    73 17.30%
  • * After PC and-/or not- sizing, I wait some time before loading

    59 13.98%
  • * To heck with waiting for anything...I load them immediately or whenever I'm ready to use them

    131 31.04%
  • * I do a smash test for every batch

    54 12.80%
  • * My method has already passed the smash test long before and now, I don't bother

    172 40.76%
  • * I smash test only if I think something is wrong

    103 24.41%
  • * I never smash test

    64 15.17%
  • * I am satisfied with the accuracy of pistol casts and PC

    262 62.09%
  • * I am not satisfied with the accuracy of pistol casts and PC

    6 1.42%
  • * I am satisfied with the accuracy of rifle casts with PC

    110 26.07%
  • * I am not satisfied with the accuracy of rifle casts with PC

    19 4.50%
  • * I am not decided yet about accuracy

    89 21.09%
  • * Most of my problems are attributed to the quality of the PC powder I use

    37 8.77%
  • * Most of my problems are attributed to my oven temp. control

    23 5.45%
  • * Most of my problems are attributed to unclean casts

    15 3.55%
  • * I use nitrite gloves to handle my PC'd casts

    106 25.12%
  • * I use tweezers or some other tool to handle my PC'd casts

    228 54.03%
  • * I wear a respirator when I do PC coatings

    34 8.06%
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Thread: (2)...The Devil's in the Details>>>>>PC Coatings<<<<<

  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smk SHoe View Post
    Stop using the HF red. None of the HF powders work very good. Some guys get decent results with the HF Black. Other colors will work decent if you spray them. Get a sample pack from Smokes and you will be amazed how well it works. Then, once you are getting good results you can fine tune your process.
    HF powders are coarse compared to other brands.

    Wich is why you get excellent. Coverage with espc method and not so good with others.

    But il like smoke es carolina blue. For shake n bake.

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    I myself just did a couple hundred 40 cal with smokes carolina blue. It really does lay down a nice coat with shake and bake.

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    Me too, but also when it is at least 20 below zero in the garage where I work.
    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Laich View Post
    for perfect coverage I only tumble coat under a full moon...

    after midnight....
    facing North...

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    well before noon is after midnight
    I do face North too hmmm [pursing lips] but the door to the oven is facing south.

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    Hmm reading through what I tagged on here it appears I need to go buy some more nitrile gloves. I'd forgotten how much easier that was than using tweezers.

    I guess one of the downsides of bulk processing everything is by the time I need more I've forgotten my own techniques again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerekP Houston View Post
    Hmm reading through what I tagged on here it appears I need to go buy some more nitrile gloves. I'd forgotten how much easier that was than using tweezers.

    I guess one of the downsides of bulk processing everything is by the time I need more I've forgotten my own techniques again.
    Now Derek...us old guys have an excuse and can account for that...it's missing grey matter...what's your excuse? . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by OS OK View Post
    Now Derek...us old guys have an excuse and can account for that...it's missing grey matter...what's your excuse? . . .
    Ain't got an excuse worth a lick . Need to take better notes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerekP Houston View Post
    Ain't got an excuse worth a lick . Need to take better notes.
    Taking notes is not the problem, remembering to look at them or remembering where you put the notes is the problem.

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    I gotta agree that HF powder is not as good as what Smoke sold me. It works OK but does not cover as well as Smoke's PC. I made up some of both and I expect not to see much difference in the accuracy department between the two. In either case I expect to spring for at least two pounds of Smoke's Carolina Blue. I had a '52 Desoto in that color which I loved. It was a beast of a car with the original Hemi V-8 and built like a tank.

    My Dad bought it new in '51 and sold it to me in '63. It came with 275K miles on it and I ran it around for another 50K miles before I sold it to a friend who modified it into a dirt track racer. It won quite a few races but was finally sacrificed during a mammoth demolition derby. Then he saved the engine and modified it for use as a farm tractor engine and it is still alive and working on the farm to this day. Talk about getting bang for a buck!
    Pax Nobiscum Dan (Crash) Corrigan

    Currently casting, reloading and shooting: 223 Rem, 6.5x55 Sweede, 30 Carbine, 30-06 Springfield, 30-30 WCF, 303 Brit., 7.62x39, 7.92x57 Mauser, .32 Long, 32 H&R Mag, 327 Fed Mag, 380 ACP. 9x19, 38 Spcl, 357 Mag, 38-55 Win, 41 Mag, 44 Spcl., 44 Mag, 45 Colt, 45 ACP, 454 Casull, 457 RB for ROA and 50-90 Sharps. Shooting .22 LR & 12 Gauge seldom and buying ammo for same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash_Corrigan View Post
    I gotta agree that HF powder is not as good as what Smoke sold me. It works OK but does not cover as well as Smoke's PC. I made up some of both and I expect not to see much difference in the accuracy department between the two. In either case I expect to spring for at least two pounds of Smoke's Carolina Blue. I had a '52 Desoto in that color which I loved. It was a beast of a car with the original Hemi V-8 and built like a tank.

    My Dad bought it new in '51 and sold it to me in '63. It came with 275K miles on it and I ran it around for another 50K miles before I sold it to a friend who modified it into a dirt track racer. It won quite a few races but was finally sacrificed during a mammoth demolition derby. Then he saved the engine and modified it for use as a farm tractor engine and it is still alive and working on the farm to this day. Talk about getting bang for a buck!
    Pics of the blue boolits when they are done please...





    ...and the car.

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    As for gas checks, it depends on the mold. A small shank get PC before and a proper sized shank gets the gas check first.

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    Acronyms should be identified at the first part of the story, then everyone knows what it is when used throughout the rest of the story. (According to my English Teacher.) LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldBearHair View Post
    Acronyms should be identified at the first part of the story, then everyone knows what it is when used throughout the rest of the story. (According to my English Teacher.) LOL
    ACRONYMS a PROBLEM ? . . . try this . . . This may help...still some are missing though...

    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?107406-Abbreviations-Acronyms-As-Used-on-This-Forum
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    I've read shorter tax codes than that poll! think of how many boolits you could of cast,sized, powdercoated,sized loaded and shot. I better plan a shooting day for us to get your mind on SHOOTING!

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    Good lord! There are some complications to this whole thing... I'm just gonna keep it simple and make pretty boolits.

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    This poll just saved me a lot of reading!!!

    PC it is!!!

    Just one question,,,well, for now,,,When sizing the bullet after PC does it have to be done in a push thru style sizer? Can I just use the lubrisizer I have without the lube?
    Short,Fat,and Slow,,,Yup I love the .45

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    YEPPERS...You sure can!

    And...if anyone mentions an 'Upside down sizing press'...don't believe them! . . .
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    I use my lyman sizer and removed the center and the levers arm what ever you want to call them so the bullets fall out the bottom. I like the ideal of the lee push threw dies mainly because I want some of the punches for other projects lol.
    Reloading to save money I am sure the saving is going to start soon

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    Thanks for the poll. Did my first casting in 20 years last week. Have a few questions but this helps a lot with PC.

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    There were no questions about whether and when I heat treat. I do. Before tumbling and baking. I tested a bunch heat treated after coating, and found no measurable difference. My coating process does not seem to lose BHN due to annealing. If I were sizing a bullet substantially, I would heat treat due to work softening after the sizing.



    Also, I size, IF NECESSARY. So generally, .312 rifle bullets become .309. Pistol bullets may be loaded as cast, or sized depending on the repeatability of diameter, and fit to the particular purpose.
    In the market for a multicavity Mi-Hec 9mm HP mold.

    I presently cast for .380 ACP, 9mm, .38/.357, 30 cal and .45 and 12 Ga slug.
    I am particularly grateful for the help I have gotten from members Red333 and MSRdiver, and OLD Para (who made a crazy mold on my design!!!!!) as well as excellent guides by Recluse for his ideal lube process. I have been experimenting with poly coating too.

    PM me if you know of a very cheap source of birdshot, or an efficient way to make #4 Buck.

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Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check