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Thread: Smokeless powder in MagTech brass shotgun shells?

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    If you can't find the cushion and card wads in the proper size (11 gauge for a 12 gauge brass shell) try circle fly. They make wads. I use their wads for loading my 12 gauge brass hulls. I also use Red Dot powder and large pistol primers.

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    There are some 12ga brass, smokeless recipes in the 12ga from hell thread if i remember correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bentaz View Post
    There are some 12ga brass, smokeless recipes in the 12ga from hell thread if i remember correctly.
    Any idea which page?
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    From my research I can tell you this about the wad column. After putting the card/seal over the powder, the wad column needs to be a minimum of half the inside diameter of the shell, and a maximum of the ID of the shell. You can use a mylar wrap if you want, but it isn't nessesary. Oh, if you use two felt wads put a drop of oil in the top one, and squeeze it, so it will absorb it. This will help with leading. Put an over shot card on top and seal it with Elmer's glue. This is from memory. I read it in an Ed Harris article. It was talking about loading 410 brass shells, but the reasons for the rules are the same. I'd find an old manual that has recipes that use the old Alcan felt wads and seals. Look for one that uses a straight walled hull. I'd use Promo/Red Dot, or Green Dot.

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    Hmmm....here's an article on this.

    https://www.americanhunter.org/artic...ss-shotshells/

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    Brass shotgun shells are only for black powder, not smokeless? Someone should have told the U.S. Army who has used smokeless brass shells for generations.

    It depends on the cases. Brass cases are much thinner than paper or plastic. This requires different wads. Also in increases volumes so that powders and loads that work with the smaller volume cases with not work properly with all brass.

    Whether loaded with smokeless or black the allowable pressure limits will be the same. The problem with MagTech cases is that they are folded head, like a 22 rim fire, so they will not be as durable or long lived. Also the rim will be a weak point and if it fails there will be nothing to contain the pressure whereas with a solid head case the sidewalls of the head itself may contain some of the pressure in the event of a crack.

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    Find the article that CE Ed Harris wrote about it. He has no issues with it.

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    Find the article that CE Ed Harris wrote about it. He has no issues with it.

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    Informativo 44 - polvoras CBC - 2016 - FIREARMS.pdf

    I'VE been loading the same set of 25 .410 brass shells for more than one year with smokeless, no problem.

    You can try loads with red dot (magtech has a powder probably not available in America, named 250, it's very fast burning comparable to red dot and it's what's CBC have data for brass shells). You can also try International and Clay powders, maybe 231. I've been trying to compare American powders to what we have in Brazil and found many similarities in regular loads. Check page 2 of this pdf and look for the line PRESIDENTE, which means brass hull trademark. Look at grains (ex 12ga is 15.7 grains of 250 for 32 grams of shot -- 1 1/8oz)

    Hope this helps. I also posted the handloader 266 article here in the forum somewhere, sometime ago.....

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    anyone have any data for 28 gauge?

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