I was loading some 9mm on my Dillon SDB tonight - first time I have used it for 9mm. I had a big bag of brass I had amassed from various sources. Things were going well until one of them would not fit into the shell plate. I looked at it rather stupidly, as I had never before seen a rimmed 9mm case. The headstamp was PMC 9MM Luger. It appeared from the condition of the primer pocket that it may never have been loaded. I can understand why. Other than the rim, it appeared to be identical in dimensions to normal 9mm brass, but with no extractor groove.