44-40 Loads for Henry Original rifle?

[Fotis]

I bought a box of Oregon trail 200 gr .427 bullets and some starline brass.

What have you found works well with this combination? I do have a lot of powders on hand.

Thank you!

[Der Gebirgsjager]

What weight are your bullets? I've been very happy using a 200 gr. CRNFP over 7 gr. of Unique, Starline brass, CCI Lg. Pistol primer.

[Fotis]

oops 200 gr swc


http://www.midwayusa.com/product/369...ose-box-of-500

[runfiverun]

I have that mold.
I bump swage mine to 430 for my 44-40.
stay on the low end of the load data for your rifle 7-7.5grs of unique should be plenty.

[Fotis]

Thank you gents

[KCSO]

If it is an Uberti you might want to go to 428 or 9 for a little better accuracy. I use two load one of 6 grains of Trail Boss and the other 34 grains of FFFg Schutzen with a CCI Magnum primer and a 200 grain rnfp. I also crimp only as a final step as crimp and seat will buckle cases.

[Wayne Smith]

If it is an original Henry keep the .427 and use a case full of black powder - it's what it was designed for.

[Outpost75]

The new production Henry's I have slugged use barrels of the same interior dimensions and twist as their .44 Magnums, so .430" bullets will probably be more accurate and lead less.

[sh00ter787]

I have recently been loading for a 20" 1873, 8.5gn of Unique gave me best groups at an average of 1097fps, 6.0gn of trail boss gave almost same group size @ 878fps.

[sac]

Mine is 35gr. of KIK 3f and a 200 gr mav Dutchman big lube groove boolit.

[1Hawkeye]

I use 8.3 grs of unique with a .427" dia 210 gr rnfp in both a win 92 src and a uberti henry.
I should use a .430" dia in the henry but I keep them smaller because of the winchester.
The original .44 Henry was a rimfire round using a 215 gr bullet with 26 grs of black powder and a lot of the NSSA
shooters use 26 grs of 3fg and fill the rest of the case with cream of wheat to get the proper powder compresson.

[M-Tecs]

If it is an original Henry keep the .427 and use a case full of black powder - it's what it was designed for.

Original Henry's fired the Henry 44 Cal rimifire. The 44/40's are repro's.

[John Boy]

Compliments of John Kort "Mr 44-40"
These are all safe in the ’73 Win 200-217 gr cast bullets

6.2/Titegroup – favorite plinking, target load – 1,150 f.p.s.
6.5/Trailboss – will bump up soft undersized bullets – 1,000 f.p.s.
12/Blue Dot / 16 /4227* / 16/4759* – replicates original smokeless loading – 1,300 f.p.s.
26/RL7* – replicates the original semi smokeless loading – 1,450 f.p.s.
*magnum pistol primer

1,200-1,300 f.p.s. b.p, loads – std pistol primers
40 / Goex 2F
40 / Kik 2F
40 / Schuetzen 2F
35 / Olde Enysford 2F
35/ Swiss 2F
38/Swiss 1 ½ F

[Outpost75]

Original Henry's fired the Henry 44 Cal rimifire. The 44/40's are repro's.

That is true, but Henry Repeating Arms has also registered the Original Henry name as their trademark:

https://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/t...l-henry-rifle/

[runfiverun]

and I have seen some 66 repro's in brass that were called henry's.

[Fotis]

This is the rifle Henry "Original"




So I can not use these bullets with smokeless powder?

[sac]

This is the rifle Henry "Original"




So I can not use these bullets with smokeless powder?

For all practical purposes, your Henry is a reproduction of the original. The original was chambered in 44 henry flat, which is a rim fire cartridge like a 22 long rifle. Your rifle is chambered in 44-40, the bullets you bought will work but you should slug your barrel for the size you should by in the future. Yes you can use the bullets with smokeless powder.

Most of use that have 44-40's shot with blackpower.

[M-Tecs]

Smokeless and jacked bullets are fine in the current manufactured Henry's. The 44/40 thinner brass seals better with blackpowder than the 45 Colt thicker brass. The 45 Colt was never chambering in the late 1800's leverguns. The BP shooters tend to use the 44/40 over the 45 Colt.

[Fotis]

Thank you!

[Fotis]

Would you consider 20.0 TO 22.0 grain load a safe load?????





Cartridge : .44-40 Win. CF
Bullet : .427, 205, Hornady Cowboy 11208
Useable Case Capaci: 28.898 grain H2O = 1.876 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.590 inch = 40.39 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Lil'Gun


Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !


Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms


-10.0 72 19.80 1472 986 11013 1459 77.8 2.084
-09.0 72 20.02 1490 1010 11328 1486 78.6 2.058
-08.0 73 20.24 1508 1035 11654 1512 79.3 2.032
-07.0 74 20.46 1526 1059 11988 1538 80.1 2.006
-06.0 75 20.68 1543 1084 12331 1563 80.8 1.980
-05.0 76 20.90 1561 1110 12684 1589 81.5 1.954
-04.0 76 21.12 1579 1135 13046 1614 82.2 1.928
-03.0 77 21.34 1597 1161 13419 1639 82.9 1.903
-02.0 78 21.56 1615 1188 13802 1664 83.6 1.878 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 79 21.78 1633 1214 14196 1689 84.2 1.854 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 79 22.00 1651 1241 14601 1713 84.9 1.830 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 80 22.22 1669 1268 15018 1737 85.5 1.807 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 81 22.44 1687 1296 15446 1761 86.1 1.784 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 82 22.66 1705 1323 15887 1784 86.7 1.762 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 83 22.88 1723 1351 16340 1807 87.3 1.740 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 83 23.10 1741 1379 16807 1830 87.9 1.718 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!


Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 79 22.00 1696 1309 15554 1756 87.9 1.775 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 79 22.00 1604 1171 13696 1660 81.5 1.890 ! Near Maximum !