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    BTSimple! A new afordable product line of quality swage dies!

    See below in this first post for offered price!


    I am proud to say that progress in my recent goal to develop and perfect a new affordable product line of quality swage dies looks like it is going to become a reality.

    I call it BTSimple!

    With the new year upon us I have been hard at work to produce and offer a quality set of swage dies at a competitive and affordable price that anyone who invests in reloading and shooting as a hobby will be able to afford. This new product line will be limited to just a few calibers at first to keep supplies up and costs down. My first offering in this new line is a great set of 22 cal dies.

    Rest assured there will be no compromises in the quality of these dies, matter of fact the dies are made from the same quality steel with the same reamers on the same machines as my original BTSniper line is and will be offered with the same awesome Black Nitride polished finish.

    The savings in this new line of BTSimple swage dies vs. my original line of BTSniper dies lies in a new design that has allowed me to cut down on the hours of labor necessary to complete the dies while a few new components and materials has allowed me to save a lot on material costs. Nothing too fancy, just a high quality set of dies that gets the job done!

    The initial offered 22 cal kit will include every thing one needs to turn 22lr brass into perfect 55 grain jacketed bullets. All one needs is a decent reloading press, a lead pot and a supply of 22lr brass and scrap lead.

    To make these perfect 22 cal bullets this kit will offer a point form die with 6s ogive and a .092 meplat, a core seat die, a derim die, a two cavity core mold (could possibly be three cavity, wee shall see) bored to a predetermined depth to make 55 grain bullets eliminating the need to swage cores and the three base punches.

    That's it! With this basic kit one is well on their way to making great bullets easier then anything ever offered before.

    Best part about this kit is the ability to use any decent reloading press and due to the larger .092 ejection pin, along with a perfect polished finish of the point form die, no Auto Ejection System will be required! Of course an auto eject system does make the job go a lot faster and will always produce excellent results so of course an auto eject will always be available for purchase.

    I am now going on 9 years in this hobby of swaging bullets as well as running a successful business in offering my own line of custom swage dies. Everything I have learned in this time has gone into the design and machining of this new line of BTSimple Swage Dies. I am certain these dies will offer a very affordable option for anyone that has ever wanted to get into the hobby of making high quality precision bullets as well as offer an additional offering to those already making their own bullets that might be looking for a new set of great 22 cal swage dies!

    I will have updates, prices and pics posted very soon.

    Good shooting and swage on in to the new year!

    Brian




    Here is the offered price as viewed in post on page two of this thread.....



    BTSimple 22 cal complete swage die set for making perfect 22 cal bullets from 22lr brass!

    $585 - Plane Steel (no Black Nitride processing) set of 22 cal dies

    $645 - Black Nitride processed set of 22 cal dies






    Package set includes items pictured above to include 6s ogive .092 meplat point form die, core seat die, 22lr brass derim die for making jackets, core mold bored to cast a core to make 55 grain bullets (core mold will be at least 2 cavities and possibly up to 4), necessary base punches, lock rings and bullet samples of each step of the process. Also included but not pictured is a 1/2 oz. tin of swage lube and a small bag full of small #6 shot lead (probably about 1-2 oz. worth) to make different weight bullets should one wish.

    $25 S&H via USPS flat rate insured (international orders contact me for shipping options)

    Add 4% for credit card purchase

    I am able to accept orders at this time. Like I said first set of these dies should be ready in February and orders will be filled in order received as viewed on my work order list.

    Dies come with 30 day money back guarantee, if you are not completely satisfied with your purchase simply return your order within 30 days for full refund. After 30 days dies are not covered from ordinary ware and tare but should you experience any problems simply let me know, in all these years I have never had a customer experience a problem that wasn't a simple fix with little to no cost for repair or replacement.

    I am able to accept Paypal (friends and family or add 4%), check, money order, or credit card over the phone.

    Payment is expected in full at time of purchase. Other payment arrangements are possible if needed, simply contact me to let me know.

    Canceled orders will result in 20% fee to cover my investment in any canceled orders.



    Additional items!

    These items are not required to make bullets using the BTSimple die set but I offer them for the customer that wishes to customize or upgrade their set a bit. These additional items are the same as the ones I offer with my premium line of BTSniper dies offered at BTSimple prices!

    $350 Point form die with Nitride Finish

    $300 Point form die without Nitride Finish

    $100 Auto Ejection System for any press with 1" ram! An incredible addition to any swage die set, allows for increased production rates, less fatigue and overall better bullets.

    $200 Lee Classic Cast Press with Auto Eject that allows threaded base punches! I am down sizing my supply of Lee Classic Cast presses, don't miss this chance to pick up a complete press with AES all ready to go!

    $15 Set of three 7/8-14 Lock Rings! Lock rings are included with die set, these actually have a set screw.

    $35 Solid Brass Control Bullet custom machined for an exact match to the 55 grain bullets made from your die, makes set up of the point form die a breeze.

    $25 BTSniper 3 die black plastic box (BTSimple die sets ship without a fancy plastic die box to keep cost low).

    $50 Repolish of non Nitride treated dies. Shouldn't be necessary so long as customer uses clean brass and lube. No charge for Nitride finished dies.


    Feel free to contact me here via PM or online via my email address at BT_Sniper@Hotmail.com to place orders or should you have any questions.

    Thank you for your support.

    Good shooting and swage on!

    Brian Thurner
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    Paypal address is BT_Sniper@Hotmail.com

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    I already have one of your auto eject systems will it work with these new dies? selling calves soon so hopefully there might be enough left over for one of these kits.

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    Yes anyone that already has an auto eject for their press will work perfect with these dies.

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    Check out available BTSniper products and prices at
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    Good shooting and swage on!

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    Posting to follow so I can see the prices when released

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    I will be watching this closely.

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    Here is a look at the new BTSimple 22 cal swage die package. Dies have not been Nitride processed yet so the polished black finish will look even better.





    Complete kit comes with everything shown above that includes a two cavity core mold, derim die, core seat die, point form die and associated base punches.






    A look at the cast lead core, seated core and jacket and formed 55 grain 22 cal bullet.





    Awesome hollow point for explosive results! It is also the secrete to allowing one to use these dies without an auto eject should one desire.





    Simple perfection!



    I put this kit together as an affordable option for the customer that wants to make great 22 cal bullets with minimal initial investment. The kit includes everything one needs to make perfect 22 cal bullets. Only thing customer needs to supply is a press, lead pot and supply of scrap 22lr brass and lead.

    I am almost done machining all parts necessary to complete over a dozen of these great 22 cal swage die sets. So far the material cost and labor cost as been within my goals. My goal is to offer this great quality kit at a more affordable price then any other 22 cal die set on the market that makes bullets from 22lr brass. I am certain I can achieve this goal and will have more details regarding offered price very soon.

    Keep posted!

    Brian
    Last edited by BT Sniper; 12-31-2016 at 05:28 PM.
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    Check out available BTSniper products and prices at
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    Good shooting and swage on!

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    Two cavity core mold....

    One thing one may notice not included with this set is a core swage (bleed) die. It is completely possible to cast lead cores to a weight tolerance well within a couple tenths of a grain or less. This small variation is less then the variation one will typically see in the weight variation of the 22lr brass. Excellent accuracy can certainly be obtained from bullets made from cores cast directly from the mold.

    I plan to bore the cavity of the mold to drop cores to allow the customer to make 55 grain bullets. Should one want to make a slightly heavier bullet it is simple. I have in the past altered bullet weights by adding small lead shot under the lead core before seating the core. A typical #6 lead shot weights 2 grains. I will supply a small package of these #6 lead shot with these dies. I could see these dies making great 55, 57, 59 and 62 grain bullets! I suspect the 62 grain should be a perfect 100% fill of the 22lr jacket.

    I still have to evaluate the performance of this mold with only two cavities. If necessary I may drill an additional hole or two.

    Keep posted for more details.

    BT
    Last edited by BT Sniper; 12-31-2016 at 05:29 PM.
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    Good shooting and swage on!

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    Hopefully your core mold will be available for separate purchase for those of us already with dies.

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    To keep costs low I have included only what is necessary in this kit for the customer to make quality bullets. The customer is free to customize their complete set with the following options.

    Auto Eject System
    BTSniper improved Lee Classic Cast press
    11 cavity core mold
    7/8-14 Lock Rings
    Control bullet
    3 die black plastic box

    I'll have prices posted soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pertnear View Post
    Hopefully your core mold will be available for separate purchase for those of us already with dies.
    Certainly!

    Just so I'm on the same page and understand your request..... a customer may already have a set of 22 cal swage dies and wants a simple core mold that will drop cores of an exact weight so they don't have to worry about swaging cores with their existing set of dies?

    Is this your thoughts?

    If so.... yes, completely possible and will be available.

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    Good shooting and swage on!

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    Price range of already available 22 cal dies to make bullets from 22lr brass.


    BTSimple $645 Use with any press. (Hardened Black Nitride Finish, 2-4 cavity exact weight core mold)

    Blackmon $780 for use with converted RCBS press (4 cavity mold)

    Corbin $843 for use with any reloading press (4 cavity mold, no auto eject)

    RCE $1181 ($731 dies and mold + $449 press) for Walnut Hill press (4 cavity mold)

    BTSniper $1495 for use with any press (Hardened Black Nitride Finish, 11 cavity mold, included auto eject and free shipping)


    There it is! Prices as best that I can comprehend from manufactures listings. Common since would show the price to beet for an intro set of dies to make 22 cal bullets from 22lr brass is about $780. My goal is to best that price by about $100!

    I'll keep everyone posted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BT Sniper View Post
    Certainly!

    Just so I'm on the same page and understand your request..... a customer may already have a set of 22 cal swage dies and wants a simple core mold that will drop cores of an exact weight so they don't have to worry about swaging cores with their existing set of dies?

    Is this your thoughts?

    If so.... yes, completely possible and will be available.

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    Yes, that is what I'm thinking. I use lead wire & cut & swage cores. I'd like the capability of casting cores also.

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    Future BTSimple die offerings !

    With the savings in material and labor cost in this new design I plan to have a couple more offerings in the future. One such offering that makes a lot of since and I can see a need for would be simple bump dies to take readily available cheap commercial bullets and bump them up a few thousandths to make a bullet for a new caliber. For example taking cheap 30 cal bullets and bumping them up to .311, .312 or .313. Or taking 22 cal bullets and bumping them up to .228 for the Savage high power and many more possibilities. I think I could offer this simple bump die for a very reasonable price of less then $300.

    The only other full set of BTSimple dies I am considering at the moment would be a set of 30 cal dies.

    The rest of the calibers I already offer in my top quality BTSniper line of dies.
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    I could live without the nitrade finish if it lowers the price a good amount, unless it is for rust prevention, then its probably needed.

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    Brian,

    I think I see my first purchase after my seperation (and then divorce in September) next month! Still have not had a chance to try the 45 set I got from you .

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    Quote Originally Posted by rancher1913 View Post
    I could live without the nitrade finish if it lowers the price a good amount, unless it is for rust prevention, then its probably needed.
    I have been considering this same option. To allow customers the choice to save a few $ with a non Nitride treated set of dies. It would certainly save a few dollars and possibly even speed up delivery times as I wouldn't have to wait on shipping to and from as well as processing.

    The difference between a nitride finished die and one as pictured above......as far as rust prevention is probably like the difference between stainless steel barrels and non blued (in the white) chromoly barrels. If you can keep a chromoly barreled firearm from rusting then you should be able to keep these dies from rusting but the advantage of Nitride in preventing rust is like 95% of what stainless steel is capable of so it is very good. One would certainly have to keep a set of steel dies (without Nitride finish) well oiled and stored in a dry location when not in use.

    If one practiced very carful technique to ensure all brass and lube is extremely clean before use with these dies they will get good use and their money's worth out of them. You would have to ensure the brass is clean before you derim it and certainly after you anneal it. Stainless steel tumblers are the best for ensuring clean jackets when using 22lr brass.

    Now the advantages of a Nitride finish...... well they are awesome but I suppose we can make that up to the customer to decide. They are more resistant to ware, more resistant to scratches, better weather protection, smoother finish, less surface friction, etc.

    The dies "as is" are hardened to a low to mid 30s RC, the Nitride processing produces a case hardened finish in excess of 60 RC while still maintaining the 30ish RC hardened core to the dies.

    I will do some thinking on how much potential savings a non processed set of dies might be. Maybe 10% ?????? I'll look into it and think on it a bit more.

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    Last edited by BT Sniper; 01-01-2017 at 12:37 AM.
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    Check out available BTSniper products and prices at
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    Good shooting and swage on!

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